Real Vision Daily Briefing: Finance &...
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The Interview - An International Perspective on...
With every day of lockdown and every dollar of stimulus, policy and markets are becoming more and more intertwined.
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Daily Briefing - May 11, 2020
Ash Bennington & Ed Harrison discuss Raoul's Expert View, "Global Recession - What's Next?" & dive into the real economy and debt deflation.
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Daily Briefing - May 8, 2020
Ash Bennington hosts Raoul Pal as they look forward to the biggest voyage Real Vision has ever gone on: Global Recession: What's Next?
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The Interview ( Bonus Episode ) - Another Great...
Logan Mohtashami discusses with Ash Bennington the "complete meltdown" he sees in the residential mortgage space during the coronavirus crisis.
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Daily Briefing - May 7, 2020
Ed Harrison & Roger Hirst discuss the latest developments in markets and examine the effects of central bank liquidity on asset markets.
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Daily Briefing - May 6, 2020
Ash Bennington and Roger Hirst explore the relationship between fundamental and technical analysis in the context of the coronavirus crisis.
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Daily Briefing - May 5, 2020
Real Vision's Ash Bennington and Tony Greer, editor of Morning Navigator, discuss recent market action.
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Daily Briefing - May 4, 2020
Ash Bennington hosts Real Vision's Managing Editor Ed Harrison to discuss recent developments in markets, macro, and the coronavirus crisis.
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The Interview - The Charts of Truth
Peter Brandt speaks to Raoul Pal about the dramatic price action he's witnessing in equities, commodities, currencies, gold, and bitcoin.
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The Interview - The Fed Opening the Flood Gates
Dr. Thomas Hoenig discusses the extreme measures the Fed is taking to support asset prices during this unparalleled exogenous shock on markets.
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Daily Briefing - May 1, 2020
Ash Bennington and Raoul Pal explore how to find the macro signal amid the noise of economic indicators, alternative data, & confounding price action.
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Daily Briefing - April 30, 2020
Real Vision's Managing Editor Ed Harrison sits down with Roger Hirst to discuss what's going on in markets today.
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Daily Briefing - April 29, 2020
Ash Bennington and Roger Hirst discuss the latest economic data: dismal GDP numbers, consumer spending, as well as other stats in the real economy.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington hosts Real Vision's Managing Editor Ed Harrison to discuss recent developments in markets, macro, and the coronavirus crisis.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington and Ed Harrison discuss the shape & speed of the coming recovery as well as the different economic trajectories of the U.S. and Europe.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington hosts Tony Greer, Editor of the Morning Navigator, to get a trader's-eye view of what's happening in markets.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ed Harrison hosts Roger Hirst for a discussion about emerging market credit risk, helicopter money, and the unwinding of the commodity daisy chain.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington hosts Roger Hirst for a discussion about governments' response to coronavirus and its implications for fiscal and monetary policy.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington hosts Ed Harrison continue their discussion on oil markets & tie the broader macroeconomic fundamentals into technical market dynamics.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington and Ed Harrison take a deep dive into the chaos of the profoundly fractured oil markets.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington & Ed Harrison cover the U.S. banking sector, commercial real estate, Russian central bank policy action, and more.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Roger Hirst and Ed Harrison discuss FX markets, high yield credit, and EM fixed-income through the lens of the "dollar milkshake theory" and more.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington & Roger Hirst discuss the dismal economic data including industrial production, retail sales, & the Empire State Manufacturing index.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington & Ed Harrison unpack new GDP growth forecasts, the latest economic warning from the IMF, and the first round of Q1 2020 bank earnings.
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Adventures in Finances - Daily Briefing - April...
Ash Bennington hosts Real Vision s Managing Editor Ed Harrison to discuss the events of recent days as the coronavirus crisis grinds forward.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Raoul Pal joins Ash Bennington for a big picture look at the events of the last few weeks in the wake of coronavirus, focusing on the global economy.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Roger Hirst & Ed Harrison discuss the Fed's intervention into high yield ETFs & whether that would spill over into equity markets to sustain shares.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Real Vision's Ash Bennington hosts Roger Hirst to discuss the rally in US equities against the backdrop of coronavirus.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Real Vision's Ash Bennington and Ed Harrison unpack the seemingly widening gulf between macroeconomic events and price action in markets.
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Adventures in Finance - Daily Briefing - April ...
Ash Bennington and Ed Harrison discuss the disconnect between today's market euphoria and the severe risks and uncertainty facing the world economy.
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Dr. Gio Valiante — Sustainable Excellence in In...
Dr. Gio Valiante, founder of Fearless Golf and head performance coach at Point72 Asset Management, coaches individuals at the highest levels of sports and finance. Dr. Valiante provides tips and stories focused on improving performance and sustaining...
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Mark Ritchie II — The Critical Tell for the Sto...
Mark Ritchie II, CIO of RTM Capital Advisors, sits down with Real Vision’s Ed Harrison to discuss how he has re-positioned his investments after going 100% cash in December. With the Powell Pivot in January and the recent Fed rate cut painting a...
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What Will a Recession Do to Venture Capital? Wi...
Josh Wolfe, co-founder of Lux Capital, sits down with Raoul Pal to examine the indicators that are warning that the economic cycle is reaching an inflection point. Wolfe and Pal discuss the idea that inflated valuations in venture capital are being...
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Gold & “The Bitcoin Standard” with Saifedean Am...
Is there a path for bitcoin to become the new gold standard? Economist Saifedean Ammous, author of the ‘The Bitcoin Standard: The Decentralized Alternative to Central Banking,’ joins Real Vision to share his views on both gold & bitcoin. From...
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China vs. The U.S.: Trade War to Cold War? (wit...
Kyle Bass sits down with retired Brigadier General Robert Spalding to discuss the reality inside China. Spalding spent years living in China as Defense Attache in Bejing & served as the chief China strategist for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs....
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The Gold vs. Bitcoin Debate with Barry Silbert ...
Earlier this summer, we released two interviews debating Grayscale Bitcoin Trust’s “Drop Gold,” campaign. Grayscale is a subsidiary of Digital Currency Group founded by Barry Silbert. He provides the argument for Bitcoin and explains the...
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Understanding Dollar Repo Madness with Danielle...
Danielle DiMartino Booth, chief strategist at Quill Intelligence, interviews George Goncalves of The Bond Strategist in his first appearance on Real Vision. As former insiders of the Dallas Fed and US Treasury primary dealers, Danielle and George...
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The Chinese Mirage with Chris Balding
Christopher Balding, associate professor at Fulbright University Vietnam, delves into the many layers of the Chinese economy with Mike Green of Thiel Macro. Balding and Green discuss the inconsistencies in the overarching bullish narrative on China,...
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WeWork, Amazon, Fannie Mae and Berkshire: Whitn...
Whitney Tilson details his transformation from momentum trader to an investor living by Warren Buffett’s advice that “it’s far better to buy a wonderful company at a fair price than a fair company at a wonderful price.” Tilson shares his views...
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Barry Silbert Forecasts the Future of Crypto
Barry Silbert is the founder and CEO of Digital Currency Group, a cryptocurrency investment trust that is now worth as much today as the whole asset class was five years ago. In this conversation with Raoul Pal, Silbert discusses the long-term outlook...
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Are Unfunded Pensions Secretly Driving Markets?...
Brian Reynolds, former chief market strategist at Rosenblatt Securities, tells Tyler Neville why unfunded pension liabilities are the real engine for the U.S. credit boom, and how this financial engineering has produced one of the greatest bull...
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Bitcoin, Gold, and the Future of Macro Investin...
Dan Tapiero, co-founder of Gold Bullion International, has grown increasingly focused on the potential for crypto to reorganize the entire world. In this conversation with Raoul Pal, which was taped on July 9 and released as a video on Real...
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Russell Clark - Devaluing the Chinese Renminbi
Russell Clark on Why Chinese Currency Devaluation Could Trigger a Global Financial Crisis
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Real Vision Classics #5 - Josh Wolfe interviewe...
What will the future look like, and what will that future mean for businesses and investors? Michael Green of Thiel Macro sits down with Josh Wolfe of Lux Capital for an incredibly though-provoking conversation about technology, manufacturing, the...
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Real Vision Classics #4 - Raoul Pal interviewed...
Social media power, the proliferation of artificial intelligence, and the destruction of the rules-based global order. How are these massive trends connected? Raoul Pal, CEO of Real Vision and the mind behind the Global Macro Investor, sits down with...
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Real Vision Classics #3 - Stanley F. Druckenmil...
One of the most widely watched videos on Real Vision this year was investment visionary Kiril Sokoloff’s interview of hedge fund legend Stanley F. Druckenmiller. Now we are releasing the audio version of this incredible interview to podcast...
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Real Vision Classics #2 - Joe Duran Speaks to B...
One of the most beloved videos released this year on Real Vision was our interview with Joe Duran, the founder and CEO of United Capital. Now we are allowing podcast listeners a chance to hear the full audio version of the piece. The man who conducted...
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Real Vision Classics #1 - Mark Cuban in Convers...
As a holiday treat, we are bringing you Mark Cuban’s full conversation with Kyle Bass. The video version of this interview was released on Real Vision in November 2017.
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The Knock-On Effect #28 - The Fate of Waste, Nu...
What do we know about the strange places we’ve been? In this season finale, Justine, Alex and Roger provide updates about the topics previously covered in the “The Knock-on Effect,” touching on the bright-red bugs behind the American aperitivo...
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The Knock-On Effect #27 - Why Big Soda’s Politi...
Why will local efforts to curb obesity mean more states will ban grocery taxes? Justine and Alex discuss – also touching on taxpayer-subsidized soda purchases, Big Soda’s tobacco-like tactics, the trouble with slippery slope arguments, and the...
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The Knock-On Effect #26 - Inflation, Inequality...
Does inflation increase or decrease wealth inequality? Alex recently got into a Twitter feud on that very subject, but guest co-host Jake Merl sets him straight. They also touch on Fed policy, the quality of government data, and the perils of replying...
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The Knock-On Effect #25 - Urbanization, Obesity...
Why does rapid population growth in urban centers mean we may see more exports from India? Alex and Justine discuss — also touching on the worldwide obesity epidemic, the state of the world in 1800, and the general decline of sexual activity.
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The Knock-On Effect #24 - Why Fruit Patents Matter
What does China’s shifting attitude toward intellectual property mean for the fruit industry? Justine and Alex discuss - also touching on the Bacardi family and the quest for the next celebrity apple.
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The Knock-On Effect #23 - Are Bear Markets Actu...
Real Vision’s Ash Bennington joins Alex to reflect on a trope frequently heard in the cryptocurrency world these days: “The best projects are built in bear markets.” Plus: The differences between crypto conferences and muni bond conferences, why...
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The Knock-On Effect #22 - Why the trucker short...
How does the recent mandate to electronically log trucker hours impact the labor force, Amazon and U.S. consumers? Justine and Alex speak with Will Pletcher, president of transportation company MCAH Ltd, about surging wages and costs in trucking. Will...
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The Knock-On Effect #21 - Why does the growth o...
If the trade war winds down, why might we see more security measures on wine bottles? Alex and Justine discuss, touching on nail-biting auctions, vineyard pests and new uses for the blockchain.
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The Knock-On Effect #20 - Why might our honey o...
How does the health food craze contribute to the production of drones? Justine and Alex discuss, touching on global smuggling rings, food fakery and sauerkraut flavored honey.
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The Knock-On Effect #19 - Elections, Payday Loa...
If the Republicans maintain control of Congress, why might it become easier to buy stolen goods by accident? Alex and Justine discuss, also touching on wordy regulations, the emotional reaction to wealth disparities, and Justine's mixed driving record.
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The Knock-On Effect #18 - Why will trucking sur...
Why does a recent mandate for increased workplace surveillance spell trouble for retailers? Justine and Alex discus — also touching on implanted microchips, byzantine trucking regulations, and Alex’s affinity for “the open road.”
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The Knock-On Effect #17 - Why does increased NA...
Who stands to profit from the next era of space exploration? Alex, Justine and Roger discuss, touching on international space law, libertarians on Mars, and Justine's favorite intergalactic snack food.
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The Knock-On Effect #16 - Online ads and grocer...
What impact will the growth of online advertising have on your local grocery store? Justine, Alex and Roger discuss — also touching on cookie wars, mysterious Senate hearing testimony, and Roger’s favorite breakfast.
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The Knock-On Effect #15 - South African Meat an...
What does cheaper South African biltong have to do with a rally in large-cap U.S. tech stocks? Roger, Justine and Alex discuss the knock-on effects of the shifts in emerging market currencies— also touching on earnings excuses, the myopic U.S....
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The Knock-On Effect #14 - Why will asthma cases...
What impact will the proliferation of asthma have on innovation in the cargo shipping industry? Justine and Alex discuss in this podcast-only episode of the Knock-On Effect, also touching on massive kites, the dregs of the fuel-making process, and...
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The Knock-On Effect #13 - Why China’s waste ban...
Why will China’s efforts to clean up its image put more water bottles inside shoes, lead to a recycling black market and raise the costs for shipping garbage? Alex and Justine discuss — also touching on virgin plastics, the voyage of a garbage...
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The Knock-On Effect #12 - Turkey Troubles and S...
Why will the crisis in Turkey lead hazelnuts to be covered in wasabi? Alex and Justine discuss — also touching on Nutella, “hot money,” and Japanese snacking habits.
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The Knock-On Effect Summer Series #2 - Raoul Pa...
Will turmoil in Turkey send global markets skidding? And why might such an economically small country have an incredibly outsized effect? Raoul Pal, co-founder CEO of Real Vision and founder of The Global Macro Investor, discusses with Justine and Alex.
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The Knock-On Effect Summer Series #1 - Mark Dow...
Are market participants misunderstanding the current state of liquidity - and if so, what are the potential knock-on effects? Mark Dow, founder of Dow Global Advisors and author of the Behavioral Macro Blog, discusses with Roger, Justine and Alex.
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The Knock-On Effect #11 - Almond milk and stamp...
Why will rising popularity of almond milk make it more expensive to store postage stamps? Justine and Alex discuss — also touching on bovine productivity, disused limestone mines, and the “Illuminati of Cheese.”
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The Knock-On Effect #10 - Yield Surge to Trash ...
Will rising yields on Treasury notes sink the cheapest vodkas? Alex and Justine discuss – also touching on the causes of recession, Scottish drinkers, and the impact of Fed policy. Plus, a controversial USDA maneuver to clamp down on speedy traders.
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The Knock-On Effect #9 - Trade Fears to Clarify...
Why will rising concerns about China’s trade-related retaliation lead diamonds to become clearer? Justine and Alex discuss – also touching on Jules Verne novels, iPhone batteries and a new version of blue.
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The Knock-On Effect #8 - Stock Rally to Spur Fo...
Why will higher stock prices lead more American to pick feet? Alex and Justine discuss, also touching on income inequality, one very fancy Manhattan store, and the marital habits of reptile owners. Plus, Justine explains why companies seems to be so...
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Real Vision Rewind #1 – Godfather of Central Ba...
How did the modern age of central banking begin? In this story previously heard in a 2017 episode of “Adventures in Finance,” Grant Williams, Aaron Chan and Ben Hunt look at the fascinating history of the man some consider the godfather of central...
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The Knock-On Effect #7 - Rising dollar to unlea...
Why will a rising dollar lead to a proliferation of ice cream flavors that go far beyond vanilla? Justine and Alex discuss, touching on thieves in Madagascar, beaver glands, whisky maturation and the globalized food production process.
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The Knock-On Effect #6 - Fed Hikes to Quash Lot...
Why will a higher fed funds rates lead to a decline in the number of Americans who play the lottery? Alex and Justine discuss, along the way touching on the future of transportation, moving to L.A., the wisdom of playing the lottery, and Justine’s...
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The Knock-On Effect #5 - Demographics and Doorw...
Why will changing Chinese demographics lead to an increase of plastic strips in doorways? Justine and Alex discuss - and in so doing, also touch on Ikea trips, online dating, modern food production, and President Bush’s congratulatory message to...
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The Knock-On Effect #4 - Tariffs and Cork
Why will U.S. tariffs lead to a resurgence for the global cork industry? Justine and Alex explain, along the way discussing Australian wine, cork shoes and the Chinese consumer.
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The Knock-On Effect #3 - Crude Oil Boom, Craft ...
Why will higher oil prices result in disappointed craft beer drinkers? Justine and Alex discuss. Plus, Alex delves into the world of academia, and discusses an interesting finding about the way stocks react to earnings announcements.
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The Knock-On Effect #2 - Rising Rates and Sandy...
Why will rising rates leave tire tracks on the world’s great beaches? Alex, Roger and Justine discuss. Plus, a high-pressure debate over whether stocks will fall 20% within the next year. Filmed on May 21, 2018.
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The Knock-on Effect #1 - Protectionism and Red ...
In this inaugural episode of “The Knock-On Effect,” Justine and Roger try to convince Alex that a U.S. crackdown on free trade could lead American red velvet cakes to turn pink. Yes, really. Plus, Alex takes issue with Charlie Munger’s shocking...
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Adventures in Finance 66 - Collective Wisdom: T...
What’s the single best piece of advice you’ve ever received, and how have you applied it over the course of your investment career? In this episode of the “Adventures in Finance” series, eight of our favorite prior guests join us once again to...
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Adventures in Finance 65 - A Revolution is unde...
Real Vision’s CEO and macro-economist, Raoul Pal, offers his latest thoughts on the bond market, the dollar, oil and the business cycle as well as an update on what the future holds for Real Vision. In this week’s Long Short, Raoul and Grant...
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Adventures in Finance 64 - Crossing the Rubicon...
With the 10-year yield peaking above 3% this week, is the low finally in for the 10-year yield? How high is it liable to rise? How might the Fed and inflation play into this? And what could it all mean for equities? Julian Bridgen of Macro...
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Adventures in Finance 63 - Reality Check? The C...
After a treacherous few months for equities, investor sentiment appears to have turned relatively ursine. But is the reality that stocks will continue to rise in the short-term at least? Neil Azous of Rareview Macro makes just that case. Plus, in the...
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Adventures in Finance 62 - Powering Down: Begin...
Can Tesla still take over the world – or is the end nigh for the ambitious electric car company? Charley Grant of the Wall Street Journal and Mark Spiegel of Stanphyl Capital join to discuss. Plus, in the long/short segment, Grant Williams and Alex...
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Adventures in Finance 61 - Crude Awakening: Th...
China appears to be taking a major step to combat the dominance of the U.S. dollar. How significant could that move be, and what political, economic, and market changes might result? Luke Gromen, founder of research firm Forest for the Trees, joins...
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Adventures in Finance 60 - Look Out Below? Davi...
After a tumultuous first quarter for stocks, what will the rest of the year bring? Nothing good, according to famed economist David Rosenberg of Gluskin Sheff. He outlines what could be ahead for the economy and markets – and outlines some areas...
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Adventures in Finance 59 - Anti-Social: Faceboo...
Will the Facebook-Cambridge Analytica fracas actually turn the tide of public opinion against the social media giant? Jesse Felder of The Felder Report and Peter Atwater of Financial Insyghts join to discuss. Plus, in the long/short segment, Grant...
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Adventures in Finance 58 - Commercial Break: Wh...
Advertising behemoth WPP has run into massive troubles. Does this just reflect the flow of ad dollars into Google and Facebook, or does it suggest bigger problems with the global economy? Grant describes his findings, while Daniel Ives of GBH Insights...
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Adventures in Finance 57 - Blue Steel: Tariffs,...
What’s driving the modern movement toward protectionist tariffs and trade wars? Where will it all lead, and what lessons can we draw from history? Geopolitics consultant Peter Zeihan and historian Marc Palen discuss. Plus, in the long/short segment,...
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Adventures in Finance 56 - Digging Gold: The Ca...
Will it soon be gold’s time to shine once again? Rick Rule of Sprott Global Resources, Simon Mikhailovich Tocqueville Bullion Reserve and Ronald-Peter Stoeferle of Incrementum AG weigh in. Plus, in the long/short segment, Grant and Alex trade...
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Adventures in Finance 55 - The Storm After the ...
Stock market volatility has surged to levels unseen in years. So is the era of unusual market calm now over and done with? Or was this latest episode just a temporary bit of turmoil? Steve Diggle of Volpes Investment Management and Dennis Davitt of...
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Adventures in Finance 54 - Trump Whisperer: The...
Ken Kurson has been many things: A reporter, a rocker, a newspaper editor and a cryptocurrency evangelist. He’s also a supporter and occasional speechwriter for President Donald Trump. This week, he sits down with Real Vision’s Ash Bennington to...
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Adventures in Finance 53 - Unfixed Income: The ...
Bond prices appear to be in the midst of a striking dive. So can we blame bonds for the stock market drop? Is the decades-long bond bull market finally over? And where will the 10-year Treasury yield finally settle out? Jeffrey Snider of Alhambra...
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Adventures in Finance 52 - New Kids on the Bloc...
The crypto craze has made dedicated investors and traders out of many people who’ve never before given much thought to finance. What’s driven those people into bitcoin and other tokens, where do they see prices going, and how are they reacting to...
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Adventures in Finance 51 - Xi’s China: What Nex...
With China’s plenum out of the way, what’s ahead for the Chinese economy? How much influence does the government have, and how successful has the transition to a consumer-based economy been? Finally, what does it all mean for the global growth and...
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Adventures in Finance 50 - 363 Days: Donald Tru...
A year after Donald Trump’s inauguration, we take a close look at the president’s performance. How well has President Trump done? Should market bulls thank him for the recent rally? And how great is the risk of a significant policy misstep?...
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Adventures in Finance 49 - Charge!: The Bull Ca...
At long last, a Tesla bull steps up to retort Mark Spiegel’s bear case on the electric car company. Rob Maurer, host of the Tesla Daily podcast, makes an impassioned case for both the company and the stock. Plus, Grant Williams and Alex Rosenberg...
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Adventures in Finance 48 - Taking Stock: The B...
Grant looks back at some of his favorite moments from the podcast, reflecting on some of the boldest calls, sharpest insights and most meaningful stories he’s heard.
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Adventures in Finance 47 - What Lies Beyond? Bi...
Is an inflation spike around the corner – and if so, what effects could that have? To find out, Grant speaks to Jawad Mian of Stray Reflections, Jonathan Pain of the Pain Report, and Peter Boockvar of Bookmark Advisors. Each gives his take on where...
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Adventures in Finance 46 - What Lies Beyond? Bi...
Grant and James are joined by two of the most seasoned volatility traders in the world, David Dredge of City Financial and Chris Cole of Artemis Capital Management, to discuss the curious absence of volatility in 2017 and whether they see a return to...
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