The Integrated Schools Podcast

Hosts, Andrew, a White dad from Denver, and, Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, dig into topics about race, parenting, and school segregation. With a variety of guests ranging from parents to experts, these conversation strive to live in the nuance of a complicated topic.

Kids & Family
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Being in between can be lonely, but it can also be liberating. Beth reflects on the past year.
25 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Two months into the school year finds Beth grappling with the differences between schools, trying to make sense of how she and her family fit into these two communities.
33 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Race, parenting, and privilege. This 5-part series will explore how our choices about school shape where we belong, who we call “We.” Part 1 - Something feels wrong at the "good" school.
28 min
Not In My Suburbs: Milliken v. Bradley @ 45 (BO...
We’re joined by Michelle Adams, Constitutional Law Professor at Cardozo School of Law, who is writing a book on Milliken v Bradley, a case that functionally halted the promise of Brown v Board at the city limits, allowing all-white suburbs (created through policies like redlining) to maintain all-white schools.
46 min
Busing: The Terms of the Debate (BONUS)
We're joined by Dr. Matt Delmont who literally wrote the book on busing. We talk about the centering of white feelings that happened in the north, as the terms for debating desegregation were set.
42 min
ICYMI: Seeing White (BONUS)
In 2017, Scene On Radio released a series called Seeing White. We're thrilled to bring you some highlights, and some thoughts about how the idea of Whiteness impacts discussions of school integration.
58 min
ICYMI: The Miseducation Podcast (BONUS)
We're thrilled to bring you an episode of The Miseducation Podcast - a student driven podcast from New York City.
28 min
Ep 23 - Grappling with Brown v. Board (BvB@65)
We talk with Anna about what we learned from our BvB@65 series. What is the difference between desegregation and integration, and why does it matter.
50 min
Ep 22 - I Hope They Hear It In Our Voices (BvB@65)
Greg and Carol, two Black parents from different parts of the county, share their experiences in mostly White schools. Through them, we can see how far we have to go to created truly integrated schools.
51 min
Ep 21 - Beyond Black and White with David Hinoj...
Part 4 of our Brown v Board at 65 series pushes back on the narrative that desegregation is solely about Black and White kids. David Hinojosa helps us better understand Latinx perspectives on integration from before Brown through today.
49 min
Ep20 - Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without In...
Amanda Lewis joins us to discuss the legacy of Brown v Board, and how the stories we tell about it, allow even our most desegregated schools to continue to impact kids in very racialized ways.
48 min
Ep 19 - Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe...
Part two of Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves features Dr. Noliwe Rooks helping us tell the full story of Brown v Board, particularly as it relates to black teachers and black schools.
47 min
Ep 18 - Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of...
Brown v Board at Sixty-Five - The Stories We Tell Ourselves. In this first episode of our mini-series commemorating the 65th anniversary of Brown v Board, we're joined by Dr. Rucker Johnson, author of Children of the Dream: Why Integration Works.
45 min
Ep 17 - Public Schools, Private Money
In the Season 2 finale, we discuss the many ways in which private money is funneled into public schools - which schools get it, what they use it for, and what the impact is on the overall system of public education.
46 min
Ep 16 - Too Bad, Just Fine, and Whiteness Centered
We grapple with some of the issues around centering whiteness in this work, as well as discussing whether a school is ever "too bad" and what it means for your kid to be "just fine".
47 min
Ep 15 - Gifted, Talented and Segregated
Gifted programs have long been criticized for serving a disproportionately large percentage of white and/or privileged students. In this episode, we talk about the challenges that gifted programs create for educational justice.
40 min
Ep 14 - Kirkland on Integration
Dr. David Kirkland (NYU) joins us for a meta discussion around school integration. He shares a powerful vision of integration from a racial justice framework; it is one that is grounded in democratic participation and the sharing of resources and one that involves us all in the deliberation of what counts as knowledge, the language of curriculum, and the fundamental design of education.
55 min
Ep 13 - Hopes and Hazards of Dual Language
Dual Language programs are exploding in popularity across the country -- and particularly among white &/or privileged families in gentrifying communities. There's great hope for equity in these programs, but also plenty of hazards, particularly around how white and/ or privileged families show up in the spaces.
46 min
Ep 12 - Whiteness vs Rightness: A Conversation ...
What does ‘colonizing’ mean in the context of a global majority school, and how can we be thoughtful about not centering whiteness? We talk to Kelly from NYC about some of the things we might think of as right, just because they are white.
51 min
Ep 11 - White Women and the Politics of White S...
We talk with Dr. Elizabeth McRae, author of Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy, about what her research tells us about contemporary school segregation -- and the hope her work gives for it’s dismantling.
44 min
Ep 10 - Why My Choice Matters: Taking Back the ...
We're back! We try to address a basic question - why does one person's choice matter? What impact does your choice have for your kid, for your school, and for the system.
45 min
Ep 9 - The Only One (Part 2): SMOG
Part 2 looks at the experience of being the "Only One" from the perspective of adults who were "Only Ones" - one white, and one black. We discuss how race makes that experience different, and how that experience is ever present, even in adulthood.
42 min
Ep 8 - The Only One (Part 1): SMOG
The fear of your kid being the "only one" often pushes white families away from global majority schools. We'll talk about it in two parts - parents of kids who are the only one, and adults who were the only one. In Part 1, we're joined by Lauren from Pennsylvania. Look for Part 2 next week.
42 min
Ep 7 - Vicky and The Saviors
Good intentions don’t always feel so good, and privilege can show up in unexpected places.
45 min
BONUS - An Update on Integrated Schools
An update on all of the work happening at Integrated Schools
5 min