The Integrated Schools Podcast

Hosts, Andrew, a White dad from Denver, and, Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, dig into topics about race, parenting, and school segregation. With a variety of guests ranging from parents to experts, these conversation strive to live in the nuance of a complicated topic.

Kids & Family
Between the Lines: An EPIC Comeback
Housing and school segregation are closely intertwined, yet the story of how that came to be is rarely taught. The students at EPIC Theatre Ensemble studied the issue and created a play to explore it. Their art serves both as an outlet for the shock they felt in learning this history, and also an invitation to deeper, more productive civic dialog about a topic that can often be fraught. We share a conversation about the piece as well as excerpts from the play.
63 min
Centering Civil Rights in the Fight for Education
For many, the words "civil rights" conjure images of the past, focusing on politician, lawyers, activists. However, our guests today, Drs. Linda and Kia Darling-Hammond, ask us to consider the civil rights implications we face today in the fight for a quality, 21st century education for all kids.
60 min
ICYMI: Teaching While White
We've been big fans of the Teaching While White podcast for a long time. While we're preparing episodes for the new year, we wanted to bring you a great conversation from their show with Drs. John Diamond and Amanda Lewis about their book, Despite the Best Intentions.
56 min
The 100th Episode!
We're celebrating 100 episodes! Over the past 4.5 years we've shared 100 conversations ranging from parent conversations to experts. Today, we reflect on what we've learned, we share clips from past episodes, and talk about what we hope for the future.
57 min
Language, Power, and Whiteness
Dr. JPB Gerald is back! In addition to arguing that what we prize in standard language aligns with a constructed White identity, he also makes the link between our concept of dis/ability, and the creation of the idea of Blackness that emerged from emancipation.
64 min
Cathryn and the Saviors
What happens when a group of well meaning, and well resourced, parents enter an under resourced school in order to "save" it? For Cathryn, a low-income parent, she felt like she was being robbed of the culture and history of her school community.
64 min
What's up with the suburbs?: Organizing, Buildi...
The mostly White vision of the suburbs baked into our popular conception doesn't match the reality of today. The impacts of this are being felt in elections around the country, and the implications for education, and particularly the possibility of integrated schools, is huge. Dr. Jasmine Clark was the first Black woman elected to a suburban district in Georgia. She joins us to discuss.
43 min
PTA So White with Dr. Brittany Murray
PTAs are often where kids are first exposed to civic engagement. They see caregivers organizing to advocate for resources and policies. And yet, there is a massive representation problem, leading to inequities. Dr. Brittany Murray joins us to discuss.
71 min
Finding Hope in Solidarity with Heather McGhee
Heather McGhee’s book, The Sum of Us, called attention to the idea of “solidarity dividends”, the gains that are made when people come together across race to fight for justice. She joins us to talk about her new podcast, also called The Sum of Us, which features a different story of cross racial solidarity in each episode.
60 min
Back to School Transitions - Season 9 Kick Off!
We're back!! Val and Andrew discuss transitions - back to school, middle school, high school, new forms of parent engagement, autonomy for our kids, and your transitions!
54 min
Parenting to Win: Who Pays for the Helicopter? ...
Intensive Parenting – helicopter, lawnmower, snowplow, free-range – is often pursued by White and privileged parents as a way to protect kids from failure and to ensure that they end up on the “winning” side of the vast economic inequality in our country.  However, the ways that White and privileged parenting norms impact entire school communities often end up perpetuating existing disparities.
52 min
Between We and They - Part 5 (Re-Release)
As Beth's district contemplates school closures, she is finding that being part of the new school community gives her a different perspective on these issues. - PLUS - reflections from 2022 from Val and Andrew on the series.
51 min
Between We and They - Part 4 (Re-Release)
FROM 2019: Transitions aren't always easy, but both Beth and her daughters reflect on the ways they've grown.
34 min
Between We and They - Part 3 (Re-Release)
FROM 2019: Being in between can be lonely, but it can also be liberating. Beth reflects on the past year.
25 min
Between We and They - Part 2 (Re-Release)
FROM 2019: Two months into the school year finds Beth grappling with the differences between schools, trying to make sense of how she and her family fit into these two communities.
33 min
Between We and They - Part 1 (Re-Release)
FROM 2019: Race, parenting, and privilege. This 5-part series will explore how our choices about school shape where we belong, who we call “We.” Part 1 - Something feels wrong at the "good" school.
32 min
Race, Class, and Power in Our Schools: Mark and...
Season 2 of The School Colors podcast features a deep dive into housing and school segregation in Queens. We're joined by hosts, Mark Winston Griffith and Max Freedman, to discuss race, class, and power in our schools and cities. While focused on one district in Queens, the stories are universal.
61 min
Reflections on Season 7
Val and Andrew reflect on a whole season worth of episodes together as co-hosts, share some of their favorite moments, and answer some listener questions in our final episode of season 7.
36 min
Anti-CRT, Book Bans, and A Call to HEAL
We are joined by James Haslam (he/him/his), who serves as Senior Fellow at Race Forward leading the H.E.A.L Together Initiative, providing organizing models and trainings for caregivers, teachers, and students to advocate for high quality public education as an essential building block of multiracial democracy. James shares about his organizing work, and what caregivers can do to push back against bad-faith narratives and act to support a fully funded, honest, accurate public education for all kids.
58 min
Examining Anti-Blackness: A Multiracial Parent ...
Val and Andrew sit down with two parents, one Latina and one Asian American, to reflect on what it means to address anti-Blackness, their own racial identity, their own educational experiences, and the impact it all has on their parenting choices.
63 min
Unpacking the Racial Hierarchy in School Choices
A professor of sociology at UT Austin, Dr Chantal Hailey studies how micro decision-making contributes to larger macro segregation patterns and how racism creates, sustains, and exacerbates racial, educational, and socioeconomic inequality. Her study complicates and expands the Black/White binary, and it is essential for the conversations we need to be having in order to dismantle anti-Black racism.
67 min
The Debrief: Carol Anderson on White Rage
Last episode, Carol Anderson on White Rage, was a lot, so we're taking today's episode to discuss.
31 min
Carol Anderson on White Rage
"Since the days of enslavement, African Americans have fought to gain access to quality education. Education can be transformative. Education strengthens a democracy." - Dr. Carol Anderson, author of White Rage joins us to discuss the White rage backlash to the Brown v. Board decision, and how we are still living with its impacts.
66 min
A Framework for Antiracist Education
The Center for Antiracist Education (CARE) has released a framework to support educators with the will and knowledge to end racism’s destructive legacy. Val’s day job is as their academic director. We’re joined by her colleague, Brittany Brazzel to discuss the framework and how we can all take steps towards antiracism.
54 min
An Overdue Reckoning on Indigenous Education
Dr. Susan Faircloth, an enrolled member of the Coharie Tribe, and a professor of education at Colorado State University joins us for a long overdue conversation on Indigenous education. Going deep into history, Dr. Faircloth ties past struggles to the current realities for the more than 650,000 Native students in our public schools today.
63 min