The Integrated Schools Podcast

Hard conversations about race, parenting, segregation, and inequities in our schools.

Kids & Family
Teacher Check-In Revisited
Despite a feeling of normalcy around schools this year, teachers are screaming that the crisis is not over. For many, this school year is the hardest yet in the COVID era. We revisit a conversation with teachers from April of 2020 and provide some updated perspectives.
49 min
Not Your Model Minority
We're joined by educator, speaker, and professional development specialist Dr. Sarah-Soonling Blackburn to discuss the myth of the "Model Minority." Dr. Blackburn talks about the personal and societal trauma of our racial hierarchy and what may be gained from unpacking and disassembling these old narratives in a way that gets us closer to collective solidarity.
56 min
Redrawing the Lines: Undoing the History of Seg...
Tomás Monarrez's work at The Urban Institute focuses on school segregation. As an economist, he brings quantitative skills and a deep respect for data. However, his work is also infused with a deep belief in the power of data science to be used for good. From his Segregation Contribution Index to his recent project on school boundaries, we discuss the ways we have thought about segregation are problematic, and where the low-hanging fruit is to try to improve desegregation through the country.
58 min
Generational Work: Stefan Lallinger on Integration
Stefan Lallinger's grandfather argued the Brown v Board case at the Supreme Court. He has stepped into that legacy in his own work as a teacher, a school leader, and now leading The Bridge Collaborative at The Century Foundation. We discuss how his family history has shaped his approach to integration, and what gives him hope for future generations.
58 min
Moving and Choosing A School
We’re joined by two White mothers who recently moved. Anna and Sarah have been part of the Integrated Schools community for some time and had the opportunity to really think about their values as they chose new cities, new neighborhoods, new houses, and new schools.
59 min
New Season, New Perspectives . . . New Co-Host!!
We kick off Season 7 with some big changes for the podcast! Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, joins Andrew to co-host this season. We discuss why she cares about school integration, and what we hope to accomplish through our multiracial discussions.
32 min
Learning In Public with Courtney Martin
Mother, journalist, and author Courtney Martin’s new book, Learning in Public, is at once a deeply personal memoir of the “journey of a thousand moral miles” that led her to enroll her daughter in their neighborhood “failing” school, as well as a full-hearted endorsement of public schools as the foundation of our fragile democracy, in all of their nuance and complexity. She joins us to discuss the book, and integration more broadly, with one of the key characters in the book, Mrs. Minor, a Black teacher who left the public schools to start her own private preschool, and brings a healthy degree of skepticism of the value of desegregation.
70 min
Reckoning with Plessy: 125 Years of Separate Bu...
In our season 6 finale, we're looking back at the infamous "separate but equal" case - Plessy v Ferguson, and how we continue to live with many of the ramifications of that decision today. Attorney Paula Forbes joins us to discuss the importance of reckoning with our past and repairing in order to create the future we desire.
54 min
BvB@67- Greg and Carol Revisited
Greg and Carol, two Black parents from different parts of the county, share their experiences in mostly White schools. Through them, we can see how far we have to go to created truly integrated schools.
53 min
BvB@67 - David Hinojosa Revisted
Part 4 of our Brown v Board at 67 series pushes back on the narrative that desegregation is solely about Black and White kids. David Hinojosa helps us better understand Latinx perspectives on integration from before Brown through today.
43 min
BvB@67 - Amanda Lewis Revisited
Dr. Amanda Lewis joins us to discuss the legacy of Brown v Board, and how the stories we tell about it, allow even our most desegregated schools to continue to impact kids in very racialized ways.
45 min
BvB@67 - Noliwe Rooks Revisited
Today we revisit Part two of Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves, featuring Dr. Noliwe Rooks. She helps us tell the full story of Brown v Board, including the harm it caused, particularly as it relates to Black teachers and Black schools.
37 min
BvB@67 - Rucker Johnson Revisited
Brown v Board at Sixty-Seven - The Stories We Tell Ourselves - Revisted. All this week we will be re-running our BvB@65 series with new edits and new commentary. In this first episode, we're joined by Dr. Rucker Johnson, author of Children of the Dream: Why Integration Works.
35 min
Better Schools Through Parent Empowerment
Parents and caregivers have the potential to be key drivers of school improvement. However, who makes up that empowered group is a key question. Aurelio Montemayor has been organizing parents for decades, and he joins us to share his experience and advice.
52 min
Where We Begin - An Integrated Schools Webinar
Today we present an edit of our first ever webinar - The Integrated Schools Movement: Where We Begin in anticipation of our follow up, How We Show Up (part 1), happening April 19th at 5pm PDT / 8pm EDT.
47 min
Zero-Sum Politics: Heather McGhee on How Racism...
The conversation around schools can often feel like the goal isn't "good" schools, but simply "better-than" schools - schools that will give our kids a leg up on the other kids. The idea driving this mindset, a zero-sum version of prosperity that assumes advances for some must come at the cost of others, is based on the lie of racial hierarchy upon which our country was founded. Heather McGhee's new book, The Sum of Us, illuminates this issue, and calls us to imagine something better.
56 min
In Full View of Race: Elise Boddie on Integration
Law professor, Elise Boddie, has said that the biggest stumbling block to advancing school integration is the White progressive liberal. She joins us to talk about a vision of integration that allows for all kids to thrive not because of race, not in spite of race, but in full view of race.
50 min
The Power of Privilege: WPLN's The Promise
We're joined by WPLN reporter Meribah Knight to discuss her podcast, The Promise, which looks at the power that those with racial or economic privilege bring to the education system, and what responsibilities should come with that power.
63 min
EPIC's "Nothing About Us": Youth Theater on Int...
Theater has the power of individual transformation. Students are the ones most impacted by our segergated schools. EPIC Theatre Ensemble seeks to combine those two forces to change hearts and minds. We're thrilled to share some of their piece, Nothing About Us, as well as a conversation with EPIC's artistic director, and two students who wrote and performed in the piece.
65 min
Third Wave School Desegregation: A Call for Rea...
Kicking off season 6 with a call for Third Wave school desegregation. First wave, "court ordered" desegregation, and second wave, "entice the White folks", failed to live up to their promises. What would a third wave look like, and how might it work better. We are joined by IntegrateNYC to talk about real integration. This episode is taken from a webinar from the Black Educator's Initiative speaker series.
34 min
Saying Goodbye to Season 5
Finally, after 22 episodes, it's time for Season 5 to end. We'll be taking a short break, but wanted to leaving you with a few thoughts before we go.
10 min
Family Engagement and Equity
For decades, the dominant model of parent or caregiver involvement in schools has been one that emphasizes a set of normative, White, middle-class behaviors. What would it look like to transform power through solidarity, in order to improve our schools for ALL kids?
59 min
Congressman Bobby Scott on Strength in Diversity
For 30 years congress has ignored the resegregation of our nations schools. On Sept 15th, the House passed the Strength in Diversity Act, which is a step towards addressing segregation. We're joined by one of the sponsors of the bill, and Chairman of the Committee on Education and Labor to discuss.
26 min
Equity According to Angela Glover Blackwell
For many years, the focus of the fight for justice centered on equality. Angela Glover Blackwell was instrumental in shifting our national focus towards equity. She joins us to discuss the need for an equity mindset not just in our schools, but in our country.
58 min
ICYMI: School Colors
School Colors is a narrative podcast from Brooklyn Deep about how race, class, and power shape American cities and schools. We're joined by the hosts to discuss the series, and to hear the 7th episode, New Kids on The Block. From gentrification, to school segregation, to colonization, this episode touches on many of the themes we discuss at Integrated Schools.
62 min
Checklists and Merit Badges: JPB Gerald on Whit...
As a Black man who grew up in predominantly White spaces, going to the "best" schools, JPB Gerald brings a unique perspective on Whiteness. We talk about meritocracy, how individual choices make up “THE SYSTEM”, self interest as a justification for racism, and what people can do to push back on all of this now, in the midst of a pandemic, but also after.
49 min
Reopening Schools and Equity
As we barrel into the new school year, keeping equity in focus is difficult. From childcare collectives to pandemic pods, the options facing privileged parents can feel overwhelming. Dr. Shayla Reese Griffin helps us center equity as we consider the fall, and asks us to consider what our obligations are to our public institutions and to each other.
54 min
Revisiting Not In My Suburbs: Milliken v Bradle...
We revisit our episode on Milliken v Bradley from a year ago. Joined by Michelle Adams, Constitutional Law Professor at Cardozo School of Law, who is writing a book on Milliken v Bradley, we discuss the case that functionally halted the promise of Brown v Board at the city limits, allowing all-White suburbs (created through policies like redlining) to maintain all-White schools.
47 min
IntegrateNYC: Youth Voice for Real Integration
IntegrateNYC is a youth led organization fighting for integration and equity in NYC schools. We're joined by two high school students to talk about why integration matters, and what real integration looks like.
39 min
White Supremacy and Black Educational Excellenc...
The stories we tell about past efforts at desegregation often overlook the excellence in Black schools prior to Brown v. Board, and the organized, grassroots work from White women to maintain White superiority at the local level despite federal efforts towards desegregation. In an edited version of the NCSD 2020 Conference Keynote, we hear from Dr. Vanessa Siddle- Walker and Dr. Elizabeth McRea, in a conversation facilitated by Dani McClain. In opening remarks from Courtney Martin, and closing remarks from Andrew Lefkowits, we are asked to conjure the late Integrated Schools founder, Courtney Everts Mykytyn, and to reflect on her impact on the integration movement.
60 min
Raising White Kids with Jennifer Harvey
What is a healthy racial identity for a White person, and how do we help our White children develop one? We're joined by Dr. Jennifer Harvey to discuss her book, Raising White Kids: Bringing Up Children in a Racially Unjust America, as well her personal journey towards anti-racist organizing, educating, and child rearing.
58 min
Brown v Board at 66 (BONUS)
Today, May 17th, is the 66th anniversary of the Brown v. Board decision. Last year, we created a 6 part mini-series to commemorate the 65th anniversary, and we're going to be revisiting that mini-series over the next 6 weeks.
3 min
COVID-19: Matt Gonzales on Equity
We're joined by Matt Gonzales, the founder and director of the Integration and Innovation Initiative at the NYU Metro Center to discuss what equity looks like in the midst of this crisis, and how we can leverage community, relationships, and vulnerability to improve our educational system on the other side.
51 min
COVID-19: Teacher Check-In
We're joined by two teachers, Zoe Rooney and Kara Cisco, who are grappling with what remote learning means for students already facing educational inequities. As we all have to balance and juggle and re-prioritize due to circumstances outside our control, can we learn to have greater empathy for the families who have always had to cope with so many factors outside their control? And can we translate that lesson into a will to make systemic changes when our children return to their classrooms?
55 min
COVID-19: Finding Community in Isolation
We find ourselves in the most segregated school environment imaginable - quarantined at home. The inequities are glaring and the needs of our communities are all too real. We discuss making this time at home reflective of our values with Garrett Bucks - an anti-racist organizer, writer, and father of two.
50 min
Choosing a School: Values, Privilege, and Respo...
Choosing a school, as a white and / or privileged person can feel overwhelming. If you are prepared to set aside test scores and school ratings, what should take their place? We're joined by two moms who are thinking through this decision for their soon-to-be elementary school kids.
53 min
The Impacts of Testing Our Kids and Ranking Our...
Nearly every public school in the country gets a rating from What goes into these ratings, and what is the impact of having a national school rating system. Matt Barnum (Chalkbeat) joins us to discuss the ways these ratings can nudge families away from schools with higher concentrations of Black and Brown students.
56 min
The Impacts of Testing Our Kids and Ranking Our...
The first of a two-part series looking at how we assess school quality, and how that impacts our decisions around where to live and where to send our kids to school. How we define “good” and “bad” schools is a huge part of the smog we often talk about at Integrated Schools - and these two episodes get into the problems with the data we’re using, and the implications of that on the larger education system, and society as a whole.
39 min
Educational Justice Through Reparations with Ju...
Our history of segregation has left a breach in education that may require a reparations lens to repair. We're joined by Professor Justin Hansford, from Howard Law School, to discuss.
38 min
Tragedy Strikes the Integrated Schools Family
Our hearts are heavy over the loss of our founder, director and friend, Courtney Mykytyn.
5 min
All I Want for Christmas is 3.5%
Before we head off to spend the holidays with our friends and families, we want to end 2019 on a hopeful note. Creating enduring political change -- like an end to school segregation -- begins with just 3.5% of actively engaged participants. Can we do it?
21 min
Gifts We Didn't Expect: Family, Faith, and Inte...
Albert, a Taiwanese American father of three, found himself in crisis. Honoring his parents and the ways they sacrificed to get him a "good" education, while also honoring the way his faith called him to justice seemed impossible. He shares his story.
52 min
Parenting to Win: Who Pays for the Helicopter?
Helicopter Parenting, Snowplow Parenting, Lawnmower Parenting - these are all forms of intensive parenting. Dr. Jessica Calarco joins us to discuss the impact of this type of parenting in our school communities.
52 min
Gentrification and School Segregation
Dr. Kfir Mordechay joins us to discuss gentrification and school segregation. In many places we are living together, but still not learning together. What are the impacts of that disconnect?
45 min
Support Integrated Schools on Patreon (BONUS)
We're launching a Patreon - Please support this important work!
7 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
As Beth's district contemplates school closures, she is finding that being part of the new school community gives her a different perspective on these issues.
38 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Transitions aren't always easy, but both Beth and her daughters reflect on the ways they've grown.
34 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Being in between can be lonely, but it can also be liberating. Beth reflects on the past year.
25 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Two months into the school year finds Beth grappling with the differences between schools, trying to make sense of how she and her family fit into these two communities.
33 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Race, parenting, and privilege. This 5-part series will explore how our choices about school shape where we belong, who we call “We.” Part 1 - Something feels wrong at the "good" school.
28 min
Between We and They: A School Integration Story...
Race, parenting, and privilege. This 5-part series will explore how our choices about school shape where we belong, who we call “We.” Episodes release daily starting Monday, Oct 14th. Subscribe now to make sure you don't miss an episode.
2 min
Not In My Suburbs: Milliken v. Bradley @ 45 (BO...
We’re joined by Michelle Adams, Constitutional Law Professor at Cardozo School of Law, who is writing a book on Milliken v Bradley, a case that functionally halted the promise of Brown v Board at the city limits, allowing all-white suburbs (created through policies like redlining) to maintain all-white schools.
46 min
Busing: The Terms of the Debate (BONUS)
We're joined by Dr. Matt Delmont who literally wrote the book on busing. We talk about the centering of white feelings that happened in the north, as the terms for debating desegregation were set.
42 min
ICYMI: Seeing White (BONUS)
In 2017, Scene On Radio released a series called Seeing White. We're thrilled to bring you some highlights, and some thoughts about how the idea of whiteness impacts discussions of school integration.
58 min
ICYMI: The Miseducation Podcast (BONUS)
We're thrilled to bring you an episode of The Miseducation Podcast - a student driven podcast from New York City.
28 min
Ep 23 - Grappling with Brown v. Board (BvB@65)
We talk with Anna about what we learned from our BvB@65 series. What is the difference between desegregation and integration, and why does it matter.
50 min
Ep 22 - I Hope They Hear It In Our Voices (BvB@65)
Greg and Carol, two Black parents from different parts of the county, share their experiences in mostly White schools. Through them, we can see how far we have to go to created truly integrated schools.
51 min
Ep 21 - Beyond Black and White with David Hinoj...
Part 4 of our Brown v Board at 65 series pushes back on the narrative that desegregation is solely about Black and White kids. David Hinojosa helps us better understand Latinx perspectives on integration from before Brown through today.
49 min
Ep20 - Amanda Lewis on Desegregation Without In...
Amanda Lewis joins us to discuss the legacy of Brown v Board, and how the stories we tell about it, allow even our most desegregated schools to continue to impact kids in very racialized ways.
48 min
Ep 19 - Segrenomics, Black Teachers, and Noliwe...
Part two of Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves features Dr. Noliwe Rooks helping us tell the full story of Brown v Board, particularly as it relates to black teachers and black schools.
47 min
Ep 18 - Rucker Johnson and the Grandchildren of...
Brown v Board at Sixty-Five - The Stories We Tell Ourselves. In this first episode of our mini-series commemorating the 65th anniversary of Brown v Board, we're joined by Dr. Rucker Johnson, author of Children of the Dream: Why Integration Works.
45 min
Ep 17 - Public Schools, Private Money
In the Season 2 finale, we discuss the many ways in which private money is funneled into public schools - which schools get it, what they use it for, and what the impact is on the overall system of public education.
46 min
Ep 16 - Too Bad, Just Fine, and Whiteness Centered
We grapple with some of the issues around centering whiteness in this work, as well as discussing whether a school is ever "too bad" and what it means for your kid to be "just fine".
47 min
Ep 15 - Gifted, Talented and Segregated
Gifted programs have long been criticized for serving a disproportionately large percentage of white and/or privileged students. In this episode, we talk about the challenges that gifted programs create for educational justice.
40 min
Ep 14 - Kirkland on Integration
Dr. David Kirkland (NYU) joins us for a meta discussion around school integration. He shares a powerful vision of integration from a racial justice framework; it is one that is grounded in democratic participation and the sharing of resources and one that involves us all in the deliberation of what counts as knowledge, the language of curriculum, and the fundamental design of education.
55 min
Ep 13 - Hopes and Hazards of Dual Language
Dual Language programs are exploding in popularity across the country -- and particularly among white &/or privileged families in gentrifying communities. There's great hope for equity in these programs, but also plenty of hazards, particularly around how white and/ or privileged families show up in the spaces.
46 min
Ep 12 - Whiteness vs Rightness: A Conversation ...
What does ‘colonizing’ mean in the context of a global majority school, and how can we be thoughtful about not centering whiteness? We talk to Kelly from NYC about some of the things we might think of as right, just because they are white.
51 min
Ep 11 - White Women and the Politics of White S...
We talk with Dr. Elizabeth McRae, author of Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy, about what her research tells us about contemporary school segregation -- and the hope her work gives for it’s dismantling.
44 min
Ep 10 - Why My Choice Matters: Taking Back the ...
We're back! We try to address a basic question - why does one person's choice matter? What impact does your choice have for your kid, for your school, and for the system.
45 min
Ep 9 - The Only One (Part 2): SMOG
Part 2 looks at the experience of being the "Only One" from the perspective of adults who were "Only Ones" - one white, and one black. We discuss how race makes that experience different, and how that experience is ever present, even in adulthood.
42 min
Ep 8 - The Only One (Part 1): SMOG
The fear of your kid being the "only one" often pushes white families away from global majority schools. We'll talk about it in two parts - parents of kids who are the only one, and adults who were the only one. In Part 1, we're joined by Lauren from Pennsylvania. Look for Part 2 next week.
42 min
Ep 7 - Vicky and The Saviors
Good intentions don’t always feel so good, and privilege can show up in unexpected places.
45 min
BONUS - An Update on Integrated Schools
An update on all of the work happening at Integrated Schools
5 min
Ep 6 - The Hidden Gem
We're joined by Anna from LA (you may remember her from Ep 1) to discuss the narrative around global majority schools that are "hidden gems" and the problems that mindset can lead to.
33 min
Ep 5 - Interview with a Skeptic
Education advocate and outspoken critic of current integration efforts, Chris Stewart joins us to discuss how this work so often goes wrong.
44 min
Ep 4 - Sacrificing on the Altar of Social Justi...
One of the reasons people often give for NOT choosing a global majority school is that they don't want to sacrifice their kids on the altar of social justice. We dig into this idea with Denise from Santa Fe.
22 min
Ep 3 - Hagerman and the White Kids
Professor and author, Dr. Margaret Hagerman, discusses her new book - White Kids: Growing Up With Privilege in a Racially Divided America.
51 min
Ep 2 - The Bordon Family
The Bordon family from Minneapolis shares their experience sending their daughters to integrating schools.
43 min
Ep 1 - Intro to The Integrated Schools Podcast
Welcome to the Integrated Schools Podcast - Conversations about race, privilege, education, parenting and schools. This introduction gives an overview of Integrated Schools and what you can expect from this podcast.
39 min