The Integrated Schools Podcast

Hosts, Andrew, a White dad from Denver, and, Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, dig into topics about race, parenting, and school segregation. With a variety of guests ranging from parents to experts, these conversation strive to live in the nuance of a complicated topic.

Kids & Family
Revisiting Heather McGhee on How Racism Hurts U...
The idea of a zero-sum version of prosperity that assumes advances for some must come at the cost of others, is based on the lie of racial hierarchy upon which our country was founded. Heather McGhee's book, The Sum of Us, illuminates this issue, and calls us to imagine something better. The paperback version was released today, so we are revisiting the episode with new commentary from Andrew and Val.
65 min
Parenting for Racial Justice
Chrissy Colón Bradt is an Afro-Latina mother of 2, married to a White man. She has thought a lot about how to support her kids in their own racial identity development. She is the co-author of the Parenting for Racial Justice chapter in the new book, Parenting for Social Justice. She joins us to discuss.
56 min
Year End: Listener Questions
As we come to the end of 2021, Val and Andrew answer listener questions.
54 min
Teacher Check-In Revisited
Despite a feeling of normalcy around schools this year, teachers are screaming that the crisis is not over. For many, this school year is the hardest yet in the COVID era. We revisit a conversation with teachers from April of 2020 and provide some updated perspectives.
49 min
Not Your Model Minority
We're joined by educator, speaker, and professional development specialist Dr. Sarah-Soonling Blackburn to discuss the myth of the "Model Minority." Dr. Blackburn talks about the personal and societal trauma of our racial hierarchy and what may be gained from unpacking and disassembling these old narratives in a way that gets us closer to collective solidarity.
56 min
Redrawing the Lines: Undoing the History of Seg...
Tomás Monarrez's work at The Urban Institute focuses on school segregation. As an economist, he brings quantitative skills and a deep respect for data. However, his work is also infused with a deep belief in the power of data science to be used for good. From his Segregation Contribution Index to his recent project on school boundaries, we discuss the ways we have thought about segregation are problematic, and where the low-hanging fruit is to try to improve desegregation through the country.
58 min
Generational Work: Stefan Lallinger on Integration
Stefan Lallinger's grandfather argued the Brown v Board case at the Supreme Court. He has stepped into that legacy in his own work as a teacher, a school leader, and now leading The Bridge Collaborative at The Century Foundation. We discuss how his family history has shaped his approach to integration, and what gives him hope for future generations.
58 min
Moving and Choosing A School
We’re joined by two White mothers who recently moved. Anna and Sarah have been part of the Integrated Schools community for some time and had the opportunity to really think about their values as they chose new cities, new neighborhoods, new houses, and new schools.
59 min
New Season, New Perspectives . . . New Co-Host!!
We kick off Season 7 with some big changes for the podcast! Val, a Black mom from North Carolina, joins Andrew to co-host this season. We discuss why she cares about school integration, and what we hope to accomplish through our multiracial discussions.
32 min
Learning In Public with Courtney Martin
Mother, journalist, and author Courtney Martin’s new book, Learning in Public, is at once a deeply personal memoir of the “journey of a thousand moral miles” that led her to enroll her daughter in their neighborhood “failing” school, as well as a full-hearted endorsement of public schools as the foundation of our fragile democracy, in all of their nuance and complexity. She joins us to discuss the book, and integration more broadly, with one of the key characters in the book, Mrs. Minor, a Black teacher who left the public schools to start her own private preschool, and brings a healthy degree of skepticism of the value of desegregation.
70 min
Reckoning with Plessy: 125 Years of Separate Bu...
In our season 6 finale, we're looking back at the infamous "separate but equal" case - Plessy v Ferguson, and how we continue to live with many of the ramifications of that decision today. Attorney Paula Forbes joins us to discuss the importance of reckoning with our past and repairing in order to create the future we desire.
54 min
BvB@67- Greg and Carol Revisited
Greg and Carol, two Black parents from different parts of the county, share their experiences in mostly White schools. Through them, we can see how far we have to go to created truly integrated schools.
53 min
BvB@67 - David Hinojosa Revisted
Part 4 of our Brown v Board at 67 series pushes back on the narrative that desegregation is solely about Black and White kids. David Hinojosa helps us better understand Latinx perspectives on integration from before Brown through today.
43 min
BvB@67 - Amanda Lewis Revisited
Dr. Amanda Lewis joins us to discuss the legacy of Brown v Board, and how the stories we tell about it, allow even our most desegregated schools to continue to impact kids in very racialized ways.
45 min
BvB@67 - Noliwe Rooks Revisited
Today we revisit Part two of Brown v. Board at 65: The Stories We Tell Ourselves, featuring Dr. Noliwe Rooks. She helps us tell the full story of Brown v Board, including the harm it caused, particularly as it relates to Black teachers and Black schools.
37 min
BvB@67 - Rucker Johnson Revisited
Brown v Board at Sixty-Seven - The Stories We Tell Ourselves - Revisted. All this week we will be re-running our BvB@65 series with new edits and new commentary. In this first episode, we're joined by Dr. Rucker Johnson, author of Children of the Dream: Why Integration Works.
35 min
Better Schools Through Parent Empowerment
Parents and caregivers have the potential to be key drivers of school improvement. However, who makes up that empowered group is a key question. Aurelio Montemayor has been organizing parents for decades, and he joins us to share his experience and advice.
52 min
Where We Begin - An Integrated Schools Webinar
Today we present an edit of our first ever webinar - The Integrated Schools Movement: Where We Begin in anticipation of our follow up, How We Show Up (part 1), happening April 19th at 5pm PDT / 8pm EDT.
47 min
Zero-Sum Politics: Heather McGhee on How Racism...
The conversation around schools can often feel like the goal isn't "good" schools, but simply "better-than" schools - schools that will give our kids a leg up on the other kids. The idea driving this mindset, a zero-sum version of prosperity that assumes advances for some must come at the cost of others, is based on the lie of racial hierarchy upon which our country was founded. Heather McGhee's new book, The Sum of Us, illuminates this issue, and calls us to imagine something better.
56 min
In Full View of Race: Elise Boddie on Integration
Law professor, Elise Boddie, has said that the biggest stumbling block to advancing school integration is the White progressive liberal. She joins us to talk about a vision of integration that allows for all kids to thrive not because of race, not in spite of race, but in full view of race.
50 min
The Power of Privilege: WPLN's The Promise
We're joined by WPLN reporter Meribah Knight to discuss her podcast, The Promise, which looks at the power that those with racial or economic privilege bring to the education system, and what responsibilities should come with that power.
63 min
EPIC's "Nothing About Us": Youth Theater on Int...
Theater has the power of individual transformation. Students are the ones most impacted by our segergated schools. EPIC Theatre Ensemble seeks to combine those two forces to change hearts and minds. We're thrilled to share some of their piece, Nothing About Us, as well as a conversation with EPIC's artistic director, and two students who wrote and performed in the piece.
65 min
Third Wave School Desegregation: A Call for Rea...
Kicking off season 6 with a call for Third Wave school desegregation. First wave, "court ordered" desegregation, and second wave, "entice the White folks", failed to live up to their promises. What would a third wave look like, and how might it work better. We are joined by IntegrateNYC to talk about real integration. This episode is taken from a webinar from the Black Educator's Initiative speaker series.
34 min
Saying Goodbye to Season 5
Finally, after 22 episodes, it's time for Season 5 to end. We'll be taking a short break, but wanted to leaving you with a few thoughts before we go.
10 min
Family Engagement and Equity
For decades, the dominant model of parent or caregiver involvement in schools has been one that emphasizes a set of normative, White, middle-class behaviors. What would it look like to transform power through solidarity, in order to improve our schools for ALL kids?
59 min