This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

Exploring threats to global stability from Ukraine to China to the Middle East with host Gavin Esler – former BBC News presenter, Washington correspondent and host of Newsnight – plus Ukraine-based war reporter Oz Katerji and independent conflict analyst Emma Beals. This Is Not A Drill dives deep into the dangers, corruption, conflicts, disinformation, rivalries and ruthless realpolitik that are making our world ever more dangerous.

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After Ukraine: Into the Age of Anarchy
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BONUS PODCAST: Doomsday Watch Live in London
As you wait for our second 10-part documentary season, set to be released on October 26th, here's the audio from our recent live show in London. Join Arthur as he sits down with nerve agent expert and former US Secret Service official Dan Kaszeta, as he talks about his crazy life working for US Presidents.
31 min
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🇺🇦 Putin’s Mobilisation Gamble
As Putin announces a military mobilisation and Russian men flee for the border, is his gamble of extra troops set to pay off on the battlefield? Ian Bond of the Centre for European Reform joins to discuss the Kremlin's call-up, and increasing nuclear sabre-rattling. Plus, to make this a bumper edition China expert Rana Mitter talks to Arthur about how the war in Ukraine has affected Beijing's thinking over Taiwan.
37 min
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🇺🇦 Is Russia Winning the Economic War?
One of the key issues surrounding Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the impact on it's economy. Western nations have imposed an unprecedented level of sanctions, but they don't seem to be having the intended effect. Why is this? Is Russia's economy really as resilient as it seems? Dr. Maria Shagina, an international sanctions expert at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, joins Arthur Snell for our latest war bulletin.
23 min
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🇺🇦 War Update: Mike Martin
As Ukraine's military continues to reclaim swathes of land from Russia, could this past week be a watershed moment in the war? How did Kyiv's forces manage it? And if Putin does lose the war, what will instability in the Kremlin mean for the rest of Europe? Mike Martin, author and War Studies fellow at King's College London, joins Arthur Snell for our latest war update.
24 min
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🇺🇦 Ukraine’s Breakthrough Offensive
As Ukraine's military retakes over 3,000 sq km during a rapid counter-offensive in the east, local journalist Romeo Kokriatski joins Arthur Snell to discuss the remarkable advance of Kyiv's forces, the falling morale of Russian troops, and what this means for the conflict going forward.
24 min
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🇺🇦 Live from Ukraine with John Sweeney - #2
Recently we held a live Zoom session with reporting legend John Sweeney, who joined Arthur Snell live from Kyiv to discuss the latest from the conflict. Out on general release, here is a shortened version of their discussion.
18 min
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🇺🇦 The Fate of the Donbas
What role does the Donbas have to play in the Ukraine conflict? Dr Samir Puri, senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies and an observer of the 2014 Donbas ceasefire, joins Arthur Snell to discuss the significance of the region, six months into Russia's invasion.
28 min
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🇺🇦 How Putin Weaponises History
One aspect of Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been the use and abuse of history by President Vladimir Putin, in an effort to justify his actions. Historian and Russian lecturer Dr Jade McGlynn is an expert on the ways history has been manipulated, both in this conflict and the wider context. She joins Arthur Snell for our latest war bulletin.
29 min
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🇺🇦 Surviving Putin's Energy War
As winter approaches, will Russia turn off the gas taps on Europe? How is the EU doing when it comes to cutting out Putin's energy supply? And is Britain failing to take advantage of their position in the European energy market? Lecturer in European studies at King's College London Dr Alex Clarkson comes back on the show to tell Arthur Snell how Europe can survive Putin's energy war.
26 min
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🇺🇦 How China Went “All In” on Russia
What does Putin's invasion means for a potential Chinese takeover of Taiwan? And how is conflict in Europe affecting the wider Asia region? As China throws their weight behind Russia over the war in Ukraine, Ankit Panda, fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, joins Arthur Snell to discuss the ”marriage of convenience” between Moscow and Beijing.
24 min
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🇺🇦 Where Will the War Go Next?
With the war heading into a sixth month, where will the conflict go next? How are both sides doing when it comes to ammunition? Is NATO really united in its objectives? And how Russia's rhetoric playing out in the Global South? Dr Jack Watling, a senior research fellow at RUSI, joins Arthur Snell for the second of two war bulletins to look at the future direction of the conflict.
21 min
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🇺🇦 War Update: Dr Jack Watling
As war continues in Ukraine, where is the conflict at? Has Russia's increased focus on the Donbas allowed them to make some gains? How strong is the Ukrainian resistance? And why has President Zelenskyy fired his top spy chief and head prosecutor? Fresh from a trip to Ukraine, Jack Watling, a senior research fellow in land warfare at RUSI, joins Arthur Snell for our latest war update.
25 min
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🇺🇦 Live from Ukraine with John Sweeney
Recently we held a live Zoom session with reporting legend John Sweeney, who joined us live from Lviv after a week touring the Ukrainian front. In a crossover with John’s hit podcast Taking On Putin, we spoke to John about where the war is heading, where Putin goes next, the courage of the Ukrainian people and much more.
22 min
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🇺🇦 The Fall of the Neoliberal Order
As war continues in Ukraine, how did the collapse of neoliberalism get us to the point of conflict in Europe? Are we entering a new era of authoritarianism? Professor Gary Gerstle, author of The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order: America and the World in the Free Market Era, joins Arthur Snell for our latest war bulletin.
29 min
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🇺🇦 The End of the Long Peace
As NATO leaders gathered in Madrid, what were the key moments and decisions from a historic summit? How are alliance members supporting Ukraine militarily? And following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, is the "long peace" following World War 2 now over? Dr. Ulrike Franke, senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations and European defence expert, joins Arthur Snell for our latest war bulletin.
26 min
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🇺🇦 What Could Russian Escalation Look Like?
As the war in Ukraine enters a fifth month, and with the conflict entering a stalemate, what could Russian escalation look like? Would they turn to chemical weapons? And why are bio weapons still part of the debate? Dan Kaszeta, a former US military and secret service officer, chemical weapons expert and author of Toxic: A History of Nerve Agents, From Nazi Germany to Putin's Russia, joins Arthur Snell for another war bulletin.
23 min
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🇺🇦 The War You Don’t See
While much of the focus is on the ground war in Ukraine, there's another conflict Russia is fighting, dubbed 'hybrid war'. This involves the use of non-military methods such as cyber attacks, espionage and fake news, and is being waged against western democracies including the UK. Helena Ivanov and Neil Barnett have written a report on the subject titled Russia’s Hybrid War Against the UK. They join Arthur Snell to discuss the conflict we can't see.
28 min
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🇺🇦 War Update: Shashank Joshi
Nearly four months into the Ukraine-Russia war, where is the conflict at? After limited early progress, is Russia now beginning to gain ground, or are both sides grinding to a halt? And in the longer term, can the West sustain both the supply of arms to Ukraine, and it's unity? Defence Editor for the Economist Shashank Joshi joins Arthur Snell for an update on where the war is heading.
30 min
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🇺🇦 Mind Control — Why Millions Think Russia is ...
Those in the West would be forgiven for thinking Ukraine is winning the information war, with slick videos of President Zelenskyy appearing all over social media. However for those in the Global South, the content they consume about the war is much more pro-Russia. To explain this phenomenon and the wider context, Carl Miller, Research Director at the Demos Centre for the Analysis of Social Media, joins Arthur Snell for another War Bulletin.
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🇺🇦 Turkey — NATO’s Disruptive Ally
Of all the countries playing a part in the Ukraine crisis, Turkey is perhaps the most difficult to read. A NATO member and supplying drones to Ukraine, but at the same time thwarting Sweden and Finland’s attempts to join the alliance, and hosting Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov later this week. To discuss what Turkey and its president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan are trying to achieve, Aslı Aydıntaşbaş, Senior Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, dials in from Istanbul to speak to Arthur Snell.
26 min
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🇺🇦 Europe’s Energy Conflict
At the heart of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the wider crisis affecting Europe, is the question of energy security. How did the West become so reliant on Russian oil and gas? And as the continent moves away from the Kremlin's energy supply, what will the impact be? Helen Thompson, professor of Political Economy at the University of Cambridge and author of Disorder, joins Arthur Snell to discuss the geopolitical fallout from Putin's invasion.
26 min
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🇺🇦 NATO – An Alliance Revived?
As Sweden and Finland apply to join NATO, ending decades of military neutrality, how has Putin's invasion revived an alliance described as 'Braindead' by Emmanuel Macron just two years ago? Lord Peter Ricketts, a former Permanent Representative to NATO, ex-ambassador to France and Britain's first National Security Advisor, joins Arthur Snell to discuss the implications of war in Ukraine for Western security, and the potential paths for ending the conflict.
32 min
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🇺🇦 Inside Russia’s Eastern Offensive
It's been three months since Russia invaded Ukraine, but with Putin now focusing on the east of the country after his failure to take Kyiv, where is the war currently? Dr Mike Martin, a former British Army officer and author of Why We Fight, comes back on the show to tell Arthur Snell about the brutal battle for the Donbas, and where the conflict could head next.
31 min
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🇺🇦 How Russia's Money Corrupts the West
Russian dark money has infiltrated Western politics for years, leading to increased support for the Kremlin and their actions in capitals across the developed world. To discuss the how and why behind Russia's financial meddling, Iain Campbell, financial investigator and journalist, joins Arthur Snell for another War Bulletin.
26 min