Shot of Digital Health Therapy

A Shot of Digital Health Therapy is a meticulously unproduced podcast hosted by health tech founders Eugene Borukhovich and Jim Joyce. Born in the pandemic, therapeutic by designโ€”oh, and comedy is still included. We dive into unscripted conversations with the people shaping employer benefits, digital health moonshots, and the broader healthcare system. From real talk to ridiculous tangents, we spotlight the builders, thinkers, and occasional troublemakers moving the industry forward. We'd love to have you join us.

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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - 2020 Wrap-up ...
2020 is almost OVER!!! woot woot! In our longest episode EVER, Jim Joyce and I recap the crazy 2020 and why we started #TheShot of #DigitalHealth Therapy, its positive impact on our own #mentalhealth (and hopefully other's) plus: ๐Ÿง  Mental Health stats compliments of Joshua Haynes at Masawa ๐Ÿง  2021 #digitalhealth predictions ๐Ÿง  Our hopes for "return of the smile" (as well as hugs) ๐Ÿง  Jim Joyce's recipe for mental health ๐Ÿง  some show stats: the crazy ~500 hours that all of you have spent watching us! Huge thanks and virtual hugs to all of our followers and 38 guests on our show including our better halves Emanuela Saccarola & Marina Borukhovich Fun mentions as always: Craig Lipset for the trifecta, Marco Mohwinckel, Steve Seuntjens, Robert Garber, William Taranto, Martin Kelly, Michelle Longmire, Lisa Suennen, โ˜€๏ธManeesh Juneja, Melinda Decker, Jeff Berkowitz, Lee Shapiro, Michael Garrow, John Brownlee, Daniel Couchman Kendall, Brian Dolan, Francesca Wuttke, Abhishek Shah, Wellthy Therapeutics
57 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Michelle Long...
This episode of #TheShot of #DigitalHealth Therapy felt like April Fools at times so Jim Joyce and I had loads of fun with the amazing Michelle Longmire. Growing up doing falconry with her dad and a mom who was a plutonium chemist, Michelle always loved experiments. We covered a lot of ground (like falcons): ๐Ÿง Why entrepreneurship is an optimization problem? ๐Ÿง World's awareness of "clinical trials" ๐Ÿง Decentralized trials and the evolving nomenclature ๐Ÿง Tips to entrepreneurs (hint: staying in the game) ๐Ÿง oh and me trying to do Daniel Couchman Kendall podcast voice.. Fun mentions as always: Lisa Suennen Matthew Holt Yo Iwami, M.D., Ph.D Craig Lipset AMIR KALALI, MD Taha Jangda Decentralized Trials & Research Alliance (DTRA) Digital Health Today
45 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Amir Kalali
On today's #TheShot of #DigitalHealth Therapy, Jim Joyce and I hosted the man who lives on the bleeding edge of drug development AMIR KALALI, MD - we keep hitting new records and this is our longest episode though we probably spent way to much time talking about designer shoes ๐Ÿ‘  but also: ๐Ÿ‘  Travel hacks especially when FBI is involved ๐Ÿ‘  CNS Summit and importance of community building ๐Ÿ‘  Decentralized Trials & Research Alliance (DTRA) launch ๐Ÿ‘  oh and my favorite line "If something doesn't exist, I create it" Fun mentions as always: Craig Lipset Mike Rea Milind Kamkolkar Jane Metcalfe Michelle Longmire Maulik Majmudar, M.D.
50 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Jamey Edwards
Just when you thought you had enough... #TheShot of #DigitalHealth Therapy is back! Jim Joyce and I kicked off Season 4 with the ever-energizing Jamey Edwards, CEO of Cloudbreak Health and a new member to the UpHealth Inc company. We had lots of fun talking about: ๐Ÿฅ How Jamey is on a mission to humanize care ๐Ÿฅ Physician burnout is a real issue!!! ๐Ÿฅ Did you know that there are 126+ languages spoken in Columbus, OH? ๐Ÿฅ Translation vs. Interpretation ๐Ÿฅ #TeleQuarantine - isn't all quarantine tele? ๐Ÿฅ Gatekeepers of healthcare and why Joe Biden should chose Jamey for health secretary :) ๐Ÿฅ oh and... missing the conference family & #pinksocks Fun mentions as always: Jessica DaMassa Rasu Shrestha MD MBA GoodRx Chirinjeev Kathuria MedQuest Pharmacy Nick Adkins, MBA
50 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Season 3 Finale
And its a wrap ๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽ‰ Jim Joyce & I recap S3 Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy. The world has gone through some #digitalhealth IPOs ๐Ÿ’ธ, SPAC attacks ๐Ÿ˜‚ , US elections ๐Ÿ—ณ, positive C19 vaccine trials ๐Ÿ’‰ & ... Check out this recap, then come back to this post & click on 1 of 10 amazing guests we had this season. Speaking of vaccines: S03E11 was our 1st infomercial on #TheShot ๐Ÿ˜‚.. but on a serious note.. listen in to 2 amazing talents from HealthBeacon Sharifa Sarhan & Daniella Kaligorsky walk us through what the team has accomplished on vaccine administration and tracking - vaccines don't save lives, vaccine programs do Now select 1 or more below ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐ŸŽ‰ Martin Kelly ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/ereq9f3 ๐ŸŽ‰ Rashida Bobb ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/eaYNwtn ๐ŸŽ‰ Shwen Gwee ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/ef5r4we ๐ŸŽ‰ Mimi Billing ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/eX5vR5U ๐ŸŽ‰ Daniel Kendall ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/eUv7ydN ๐ŸŽ‰ Gautam Gulati, ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/eAXws3T ๐ŸŽ‰ Lee Shapiro ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/eMHttnK ๐ŸŽ‰ Unity Stoakes ๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/euZ6w69 ๐ŸŽ‰ Chris Coburn๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/efGHcFh ๐ŸŽ‰ Jane Metcalfe๐Ÿ“บ https://lnkd.in/e9bM76X
47 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Jane Metcalfe
Jim Joyce and I had our minds blown by the one and only Jane Metcalfe on this week's "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy". Launching and later selling WIRED, investing in a chocolate business (amongst others) and then diving into the neobiological revolution via NEO.LIFE, Jane was an amazing guest and we talked: ๐Ÿงฌ Intersection of Neuroscience - Nutrition - Longevity ๐Ÿงฌ Parabiosis, micro-dosing and metformin ๐Ÿงฌ Human Vaccines Project & a short C19 vaccine update ๐Ÿงฌ Jane's hunt for signals and intentions ๐Ÿงฌ oh we even talked vampires... Fun mentions as always: Oura Josh Clemente Francesca Wuttke Lisa Suennen Levels Esther Dyson Frontiers Health NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration European Space Agency - ESA Alexandra Drane Jamey Edwards UpHealth Inc Matthew Holt
50 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Chris Coburn
Jim Joyce and I had to dedicate our longest episode of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" to our first guest ever wearing a tie ๐Ÿ‘” - Chris Coburn, Chief Innovation Officer at Mass General Brigham. We talked: ๐Ÿ‘” Unremitting pressures on hospital systems ๐Ÿ‘” Mental & Behavioral Health ๐Ÿ‘” TheCoburn Hiring method: "Writing well = thinking clearly" ๐Ÿ‘” Irish Authors, Arts, Movies (get your list here) ๐Ÿ‘” Mass's next $250M fund ๐Ÿ‘” oh and traveling down the memory lane to The Bronx.. As always fun mentions: Brian Dolan Daniel Couchman Kendall Lee Shapiro Unity Stoakes Stephen McHale
46 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Unity Stoakes
Today's episode of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" took Jim Joyce and I on a ride in the way-back machine to NYC circa 2008 and back to the future with Unity Stoakes from StartUp Health ๐Ÿš€ How StartUp Health got started and the 25 year plan ๐Ÿš€ Batteries-included #entrepreneurs ๐Ÿš€ Importance of #mentalhealth ๐Ÿš€ Streaming #Innovation ๐Ÿš€ New administration and predictions for health innovation ๐Ÿš€ oh and why did we see Howard Krein MD, PhD on stage with #BidenHarris Fun mentions as always: Matthew Holt โ—พ๏ธDaniel Kivatinosโ—พ๏ธ Michael Nusimow Zocdoc DrChrono Roy Schoenberg MD MPH Amwell Seth Godin
40 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Lee Shapiro
In this #Election2020 & #COVID19-FREE-Zone episode of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy", Jim Joyce and I got some amazing insights from non other than Lee Shapiro from 7wireVentures / Livongo : ๐ŸŽฏ How to pronounce "SPAC" and a bit of SPAC-101 ๐ŸŽฏ What do "Hash House Harriers" have to do with investing ๐ŸŽฏ Deep dive into 7wireVentures thesis & investment decisions ๐ŸŽฏ The daily routine of an ever-entrepreneur hint: #meditation included ๐ŸŽฏ Leadership advice for #entrepreneurs: "Building companies is like sprinting a marathon" + much more ๐ŸŽฏ oh and why does Lee wake up to Glen Tullman's texts every morning.. ๐Ÿค” Watch now -> https://youtu.be/Q4xNkmTOG2E Fun mentions as always: Jessica DaMassa Matthew Holt Robert Garber Jennifer Schneider, M.D., M. S. Alyssa Jaffee Clover Health NOCD Stephen Smith Kristin Milburn Hemant Taneja Stephen Klasko John Hallock
40 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Gautam Gulati
Wow so many great nuggets in today's episode of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" I don't even know where to start... Jim Joyce and I had the honor of having Gautam Gulati, MD,MBA,MPH - pronounced (Ga-Thumb ๐Ÿ‘ Ga-Lotty) and we spent a lot of it on the art of storytelling amongst other things: ๐Ÿ’ก Why health = story over time not just point in time ๐Ÿ’ก Storytelling-as-Medicine ๐Ÿ’ก Why silence is powerful? ๐Ÿ’ก Executing on a bad idea is a bad idea ๐Ÿ’ก Deliberate creativity ๐Ÿ’ก WellPlayed.Health and new Superhumans Series on Spotify ๐Ÿ’ก oh and we all became self-proclaimed health artists ๐ŸŽจ Fun Mentions as always: Martin Kelly Matthew Holt Jessica DaMassa Daniel Kraft, MD Glen Tullman Stephen Klasko Daniel Couchman Kendall Lisa Suennen Rasu Shrestha MD MBA Professor Shafi Ahmed Milind Kamkolkar Esther Dyson Mark Hyman, MD Dr. Jordan Shlain, M.D. Alexandra Drane Riccardo Sabatini David Ewing Duncan
42 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Daniel Couchma...
It took way too long for Jim Joyce and I to have the godfather of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" on our show. Did you know that Daniel Couchman Kendall had a radio show in college and that he lived in UK for 18 years and still has no British accent? We had a blast and talked everything podcasts and more: ๐ŸŽง History of Digital Health Today ๐ŸŽง #JPM and Irish bar - yes all roads lead there ๐ŸŽง #DTx Series with yours truly ๐ŸŽง Health Podcast Network ๐ŸŽง Dan's health podcast predictions of micro-audiences ๐ŸŽง Chris Rock story.. ๐ŸŽง oh and what does Ozzy Osbourne have to do with digital health? Fun mentions as always: Martin Kelly & HealthXL Lisa Suennen Michelle Longmire Jennifer Lannon Antonio Estrella Mike Biselli
44 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Mimi Billing
In this episode of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy", Jim Joyce and got to spend some awesome time with Mimi Billing a management consultant turned journalist at Sifted. We chat about: ๐Ÿš€ the "old machinery" of Europe ๐Ÿš€ scaling #digitalhealth #startups in EU ๐Ÿš€ startup honeymoons and how long they last? ๐Ÿš€ oh and should startups PR or not PR.. Fun mentions as always: Kry Babylon Health Johannes Schildt Christina Farr John Thornhill Caspar Woolley Tyler Crowley
39 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Shwen Gwee
Another episode of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" = another memory lane. Jim Joyce and I had the pleasure of having Shwen Gwee, who despite his long career in #pharma has not lost any hair. We kicked off with Rock Health and StartUp Health digital health investment reports ๐Ÿ“ˆ, reimbursement news from Germany ๐Ÿ‡ฉ๐Ÿ‡ช and then got deep into โ˜•๏ธ Innovation vs. Structure โ˜•๏ธ Played Buzzword Bingo โ˜•๏ธ Shwen Gwee went all out with health #chatbots โ˜•๏ธ #SXSW and virtual health disruptor dinner in 2021? โ˜•๏ธ oh and discovered Shwen's former identity as a podcaster in 2005 : "Tales from the drug side"... Fun mentions as always: John Pugh Matthew Holt Jacob LaPorte, Ph.D. Garry Tan Dr. Mario Weiss
40 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Rashida Bobb
On this #InternationalPodcastDay was great to have the corporate refugee Rashida Bobb joining Jim Joyce and I on "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" from New York City: ๐Ÿฅ‚ Barcelona ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡ธ - here I come and my #COVID19 test delivered by Ziphycare ๐Ÿฅ‚ Jim & Rashida on an island? ๐Ÿฅ‚ Rashida diving into pain recognition and management ๐Ÿฅ‚ Funding of under-represented founders ๐Ÿฅ‚ Can investors create new patterns? ๐Ÿฅ‚ Diverse talent on corporate boards and Rashida's latest project https://bit.ly/2Gde1JT ๐Ÿฅ‚ oh and... Jim Joyce telling us another joke.. Fun mentions as always: Dominick Kennerson Klaus Stรถckemann Blueprint Health LLC Alex Fair Matthew Holt Rada Sumareva, DDS HealthXL
42 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Martin Kelly
Welcome to Season 3 Premier of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" coming to you almost live from Florence ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น & Dublin ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ช. This season is all about "more fun, less pain" as Jim Joyce put it & there is no-one better to kick us into more fun than Martin Kelly, CEO of HealthXL: ๐Ÿ‹ My escape to Italy ๐Ÿ‹ Martin Kelly's trip down the memory lane as an inventor of SmartCamp ๐Ÿ‹ Genesis of HealthXL ๐Ÿ‹ Importance of ecosystems & networks ๐Ÿ‹ GoodRx IPO ๐Ÿ‹ oh and how Jim misses #JPM Fun mentions as always: Sean M Hogan Robert Garber Seth Akumani Steve Seuntjens Harry Stebbings Chris Coburn Alex Tew
41 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Season 2 Final...
All good things come to an end and so did Season 2 of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy". We had a fun season recap with Laura Hamilton who says she volunteered (yeah right!), so if you don't have ~378 min to spare to binge the whole season then today's recap is for you .. (in other sad news: Jim Joyce and I lost out to Joe Rogan to host the presidential debate.. 1-liners: compliments of Laura: ๐Ÿพ John Brownlee Loved the Ryder Cup Memorabilia :) ๐Ÿพ William Taranto โ€œData is the currency to transact in future marketsโ€ ๐Ÿพ Professor Shafi Ahmed Educating via new tech as far away as a remote island in the middle of the Pacific.. ๐Ÿพ Nicole Baker PhD Importance of building connections and listening to people transitioning form academia ๐Ÿพ โ˜€๏ธManeesh Juneja His experience with #LongCovid was eye-opening ๐Ÿพ Jacob LaPorte, Ph.D. Making the onramp to Novartis less NJ and more Singapore by design. ๐Ÿพ Milind Kamkolkar: Loved his inspirational story of his professional climb and insight into Flagship. ๐Ÿพ Steve Seuntjens one of the early consumer directed #digitalhealth investors! ๐Ÿพ Melinda Decker : Transitioning from wine making to biotech! ๐Ÿพ Leonora O'Brien : The Irish precision! :)
42 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Leonora O'Brien
Wednesday means "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy Day" and today's guest the self-taught musician, pharmacy regulator turned entrepreneur - Leonora O'Brien called Jim Joyce and I the Statler and Waldorf of #digitalhealth - ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚. On today's final episode of Season 2 we explore the pharmacy industry: ๐Ÿ’Š What do airlines and pharmacies have in common? ๐Ÿ’Š Should startups take grant money? ๐Ÿ’Š Pharmacies and #DTx ๐Ÿ’Š What happens to your friendly neighborhood pharmacy next? ๐Ÿ’Š oh and there was a mention or two of Cartier Fun mentions as always: DocMorris Max Mรผller Olaf Heinrich Europa Apotheek Venlo B.V. Celesio AG Kristin Milburn Big Health CVS Health #pharmacists #prescriptions #pbm
42 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Melinda Decker
Jim Joyce and I had an amazing guest on today that neither one of us met in person before and she definitely energized us for the week to come - Thanks Melinda Decker! We talked: ๐Ÿท How it takes about a decade to build a "successful #DigitalHealth company? Right Sean Duffy, doug hirsch, Peter Hames ๐Ÿท How making wine is almost like making drugs ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿท How to wrangle a sizable budget inside a pharmaco ๐Ÿท How to #DTx inside pharma vs. in a startup like Mymee ๐Ÿท And... is an introvert a social camel? Fun mentions as always: Edward Cox Martin Kelly MedStartr HealthMode Dan Karlin HealthXL MedImmune
37 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Steve Seuntjens
This week, Jim Joyce and I had some virtual drinks with Steve Seuntjens (well.. real drinks in a virtual setting) on "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy"... Even with drinks we mostly made sense but you will be the judge of that: ๐Ÿบ We talked about Jim Joyce's broken ribs... heal fast Jim! ๐Ÿบ Steve's investment thesis tied with individual's own engagement in health ๐Ÿบ We listened to Steve's 30 second pitch of SkinVision (a portfolio company) - how did he do?? ๐Ÿบ Dichotomy of population health vs. personalized health ๐Ÿบ oh and you heard it here first - Jim introduces "The McGuffin" in a context of a startup Fun mentions as always: Given next week is the HealthXL Interactive somehow all those peeps were mentioned today and more : Martin Kelly Lisa Suennen William Taranto Glen Tullman .. In addition Dale Beermann Sanvello Health Francesca Wuttke Robert Garber Matthew Holt
37 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Milind Kamkolkar
Jim Joyce and I had a great time hanging with Milind Kamkolkar today on "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy". We went deep into human biology (well as deep as we can in ~40 min): โœ… Invention vs. Innovation โœ… Advances in understanding of cell behaviors โœ… Doing things better or doing better things! โœ… Drug Discovery and #AI โœ… TechBio or #Biotech โœ… Creating legacy when creating companies Fun mentions: Cellarity Flagship Pioneering B Capital Group Jessica DaMassa Jay Bradner Atomwise Insilico Medicine Alex Zhavoronkov Mathai Mammen and many more.
40 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Jacob LaPorte
In this birthday ๐ŸŽ‚ edition of "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy", Jim Joyce and I had the pleasure of having Jacob LaPorte, Ph.D., Co-Founder of Novartis Biome, who turned 25 today ๐Ÿ˜‚and still decided to join us on his birthday! (also happy birthday Glen Tullman!!!) We talked about: โœ… Jacob's path from molecular biologist -> organic chemist -> consultant -> CRO -> Pharma โœ… How Novartis Biome is building an "onramp" for #digitalhealth startups just not a New Jersey kind ๐Ÿ˜„ โœ… EROOM law and pharma R&D productivity โœ… Novartis digital brain โœ… And two degrees of separation with Shwen Gwee .. oh and watch the whole episode to hear Jim Joyce give a #startup idea to the entrepreneurs out there (and its FREE) Finally we thought that Vas Narasimhan and his popularity will definitely push our show to 200 subscribers in one shot!
41 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Maneesh Juneja
I don't know about you but I love Wednesdays!! It's "Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy" Day and today Jim Joyce and I really enjoyed having Maneesh Juneja on the show. Maneesh took the video call from his car (first for us) and we chatted about what he has been struggling with for the last 119 days - #LongCovid โœ… How he was un-diagnosed with #COVID19 โœ… How he used #digitalhealth technologies for self tracking (such as Oura) โœ… How there are over 100+ different symptoms that comprise #longcovid โœ…How the #longcovid patient community came together As always fun mentions: John Hallock Glen Tullman Eric Topol, MD David Albert Robert Garber Martin Kelly Susannah Fox Gilles Frydman Dave deBronkart Omada Health Teladoc Health Livongo
34 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Nicole Baker
Wow! We almost didn't make it today, but more on that next episode.. Today Jim Joyce and I spoke to Nicole Baker, CEO of biologit and an immunologist - this was a social experiment of its own in this virtual world (watch to find out why). Nicole broke the ice with a discussion of #Medbikini, then took us through her geographical journey: Brazil, Germany, UK, Ireland - I am still trying to figure out her accent though.. We then got deep into #pharmacovigilance, real world data & evidence, adverse events & #clinicaltrials oh my .. and not that deep into #hydroxychloroquine :) Fun mentions as always: our critics (Vishal Gulati, Matthew Holt), our fans (Elena Mustatea, Nana Bit-Avragim, Lisa Suennen, Charles Huang, Aline Noizet Macro Akili Interactive Proteus Digital Health, Inc #digitalhealth #DTx
38 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Shafi Ahmed
Jim Joyce and I had the honor of having Professor Shafi Ahmed on with us today - who is an amazing entrepreneur, futurist, surgeon and teacher! We first decided to have our avatars speak to each other using Loom.ai but quickly switched to: โœ… Front lines of health & care have and will continue changing โœ… Health education needs to be reinvented otherwise we will end up with projected shortage of 14M+ healthcare workers by 2030 โœ… We talked what snapped Shafi (pun intended) into democratizing health education โœ… Jumped into the time machine for the future of robotics and digital surgery.. and sooooo much more - barely had enough time to scratch the surface.. Fun mentions as always: Snap Inc. Jean Nehme & Touch Surgery Barts and the London School of Medicine and Dentistry Suitable Technologies (Beam Robot)
41 min
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Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy - Bill Taranto
Season 2 Episode 2 of "A Shot of #DigitalHealth Therapy": Jim Joyce and I had a blast as usual with William Taranto - we talked #CVC vs. #VC, private equity, virtual due-diligence and how things have not seemed to slow down much on the deals. We of course reminisced about our last trip to Barcelona for HealthXL, found out that Bill misses Francesca Wuttke and talked European #digitalhealth #startups and their scaling potential. oh and I took my first shot on the show, shamed Jim Joyce into doing pushups and we all agreed we cant wait to be back on a plane... plus a huge shout out to the The MAGIC Foundation Foundation and their upcoming virtual convention
34 min