The Vergecast

Hello! This is The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of The Verge... and your life. Every Friday, Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn make sense of the week's tech news with help from our wide-ranging staff. Join us every week for a fun, deeply nerdy, often off-the-rails conversation about what's happening now (and next) in technology and gadgets.

Tech News
Surface Duo hands on / Amazon's Halo fitness tr...
Wired's Lauren Goode returns to the show to discuss Microsoft's soon-to-be released Surface Duo, Amazon's new fitness tracker, and an update on Apple's battle with Epic over the App Store.
81 min
Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman welcomes you to Team...
The Verge’s Nilay Patel and Casey Newton talk with Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman about the antitrust complaints against Google, Yelp staying on top of changes during a pandemic, and where Yelp goes next in an evolving America.
45 min
Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra review / Galaxy Wa...
Dieter, Dan, and Becca discuss their reviews of Samsung's Galaxy Note 20 Ultra, Galaxy Buds Live, and Galaxy Watch 3.
65 min
How money and payments have become social media
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Lana Swartz, assistant professor of media studies at the University of Virginia about her new book New Money: How Payment Became Social Media.
46 min
Fornite kicked off the App Store and Microsoft’...
Nilay, Dieter, Tom, and Dan discuss the timeline of events that lead to Epic Games suing Apple and Google after being kicked out of mobile app stores. They also discuss Microsoft's announcement of the Surface Duo's release date and technical specs.
86 min
How a TikTok ban would affect the influencer ec...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks with New York Times reporter Taylor Lorenz about what actually happens to TikTok users, creators, and the influencer economy if a ban on the app was implemented in the United States.
51 min
Samsung Unpacked, Google Pixel 4a review, and A...
Nilay, Dieter, Becca, Chris, and Dan discuss the products announced at Samsung's virtual event this week, as well as the Google Pixel 4a review, a new 27-inch iMac, and Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple marketing.
82 min
Sen. Ron Wyden says Trump’s Section 230 FCC shu...
The Verge's Nilay Patel and Adi Robertson talk to Senator Ron Wyden, who co-authored Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
35 min
Tech antitrust hearing: the important moments a...
Nilay, Makena, Adi, and Casey discuss the important moments from Congress' antitrust hearing with Apple’s Tim Cook, Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, and Google’s Sundar Pichai.
64 min
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt fo...
Verge editor-in-chief talks with Wired senior editor Andy Greenberg, author of Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers.
43 min
Big tech antittrust hearing preview and the Xbo...
Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn talk with Casey Newton and Makena Kelly about what to expect at next week's big tech antitrust hearings featuring Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, Mark Zuckerberg, and Sundar Pichai. Megan Farokhmanesh and Andrew Webster return to discuss the games announced at the Xbox Games Showcase this week.
79 min
Election cybersecurity: How ready are we for No...
Cybersecurity journalist Kim Zetter talks with The Verge's Nilay Patel and Russell Brandom about the state of election security in the US.
46 min
Twitter gets hacked / NBC's streaming service P...
The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, Russell Brandom, and Julia Alexander discuss an unprecidented Twitter hack this week, the release of NBCUniversal's new streaming service Peacock, and the potential restrictions on TikTok from the White House.
70 min
Will virtual dates stick around after the pande...
A special episode of The Verge's Why'd You Push That Button?
37 min
How Color of Change helped lead the Facebook bo...
Nilay Patel talks to Rashad Robinson, president of Color of Change, one of the organizations leading the ad boycott against Facebook and other social media companies.
55 min
iOS14 public beta is released, Google’s Pixel 3...
Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Dan Seifert discuss Apple's iOS14 public beta, the future of Google's phones, and what to expect at Samsung's next hardware event.
76 min
Bug bounties: the good and the bad of computer ...
CEO of Luta Security Katie Moussouris talks about the good, the bad, and ugly of bug bounty programs that catch and report security bugs and vulnerabilities in software systems.
61 min
Introducing Land of the Giants: The Netflix Effect
This week we’re sharing an episode of Land of the Giants, a podcast from our friends at Recode and the Vox Media Podcast Network that examines the most powerful tech companies of our time.
36 min
Apple announces macOS Big Sur, new silicon chip...
Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn welcome back Verge alum and Wall Street Journal columnist Joanna Stern to discuss the big announcements from Apple's developer conference this week. Verge news editor Chaim Gartenberg joins in the second half to discuss the Apple updates you may have missed.
90 min
Why activists need to think about cybersecurity
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and policy editor Russell Brandom talk to ounder of CryptoHarlem and cybersecurity expert Matt Mitchell.
55 min
WWDC predictions / Limiting Section 230 Immuni...
Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn run through the most interesting rumors and predictions of announcements at Apple's WWDC next week. Adi Robertson joins to discuss the latest threat to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.
58 min
Basecamp CTO David Heinemeier Hansson and Rep. ...
Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI) joined The Vergecast along with Basecamp CTO David Heinemeier Hansson to discuss the plight of Hey, Basecamp’s new $99-a-year premium email service.
46 min
Sen. Ed Markey on the politics of technology
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Verge reporter Makena Kelly talk to Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts about bringing broadband access into rural areas, the technology plights caused by the pandemic, privacy concerns over contract tracing, and the race to 5G.
55 min
Android 11 beta / PS5 reveal / Amazon, IBM, and...
Nilay and Dieter discuss Android 11 beta first impressions, Google countersuing Sonos, WWDC rumors. Megan Farokhmanesh and Andrew Webster discuss the PS5 hardware reveal and new Playsation games. James Vincent explains big tech's ban on facial recognition tech for police.
91 min
Tinder CEO Elie Seidman on finding love during ...
Seidman joins Vergecast host Nilay Patel and Verge senior reporter Ashley Carman for a chat about the future of the platform.
59 min
SpaceX launches humans to space / Facebook's on...
Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn talk to senior science reporter Loren Grush about SpaceX successfully launching their first crew to orbit. Casey Newton stops by to discuss Facebook's moderation policy controversy with Donald Trump's posts.
106 min
The head of HBO Max on launching without Roku, ...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Verge reporter Julia Alexander talk to Otter Media CEO Tony Goncalves on Tony's new project overseeing HBO Max.
52 min
Trump signs executive order targeting social me...
Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn welcome Adi Robertson and Casey Newton on the show to discuss Trump's executive order targeting social media companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Google. Julia Alexander also stops by the discuss the launch of WarnerMedia's new streaming service HBO Max.
87 min
Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield on competing with...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield about remote working, competition with Microsoft, and the way technology changes how we communicate.
63 min
Microsoft Build 2020, Elon Musk's factory play,...
Nilay and Dieter welcome Tom Warren, Elizabeth Lopatto, and Ashley Carman to discuss Microsoft's developer conference, Elon Musk's active month, and Spotify getting exclusive streaming rights to The Joe Rogan Experience.
79 min
Sundar Pichai on managing Google through the pa...
Alphabet CEO and head of Google Sundar Pichai talks with Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn on diversity & Inclusion, the future of their hardware division, and their COVID-19 response.
50 min
Questions about Facebook's oversight board, Qui...
Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn welcome Dan Seifert, Casey Newton, and Julia Alexander to talk about gadget news, Facebook's oversight board, and updates in the streaming world.
81 min
How pandemic disinformation is affecting social...
Alex Stamos, former chief security officer of Facebook and director of the Stanford Internet Observatory talks to Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Silicon Valley editor Casey Newton
65 min
New releases: Surface Go 2, Macbook Pro 13-inch...
On Paul Miller's final show, the crew discuss the new 13-inch Macbook Pro, the Microsoft Surface Book 3 and how gameplay looks on the next Xbox.
77 min
Sonos CEO discusses the Arc and customer backla...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel welcomes back Sonos CEO Patrick Spence to discuss the products they announced this week, including a Dolby Atmos soundbar.
52 min
The 3 new CEOs of Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile, ...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss quarterly earnings from tech companies, the 3 new CEOs of the biggest mobile carriers in America, and how Trolls World Tour may be changing the movie theater business.
81 min
How Amazon's dominance is more visible during a...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel interviews co-director of the Institute for Local Self Reliance Stacy Mitchell about her critique of Amazon's power in America's marketplace.
56 min
Reviews of Apple's Magic Keyboard, iPhone SE, a...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss The Verge's reviews of Apple's new iPhone SE, the Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro, and Logitech's Combo Touch.
76 min
Interface Live: Casey Newton and Sarah Frier ta...
Silicon valley editor Casey Newton talks with Bloomberg reporter Sarah Frier about her new book No Filter
49 min
Apple's new iPhone SE, OnePlus 8 Pro review, an...
Nilay, Paul, and Dieter discuss Apple's announcement of a new iPhone SE, the review of OnePlus' 8 Pro, and Verizon buying videoconferencing company BlueJeans.
76 min
Apple and Google are building a coronavirus tra...
Nilay Patel talks with Adi Robertson, Casey Newton, and Nicole Wetsman about Apple and Google's plan to
32 min
Quibi's launch week, Asus laptop reviews, and S...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul are joined by Monica Chin to discuss new laptops out this season. Julia Alexander stops by to talk about Quibi's launch week.
65 min
Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on AI for rural America
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott about his new book "Reprogramming the American Dream: From Rural America to Silicon Valley―Making AI Serve Us All".
64 min
Zoom's privacy concerns, Apple buys Dark Sky, a...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul talk to Tom Warren about Zoom's privacy and security concerns. The crew also looks back at the history of Sprint after it finally merged with T-Mobile. Paul's weekly segment "If I were a rich man" updates the keyboard-in-the-front club. The show ends with some chat about Apple buying the weather app Dark Sky and allowing in-app rentals on their mobile devices.
78 min
Amy Webb is a quantitative futurist
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to founder and CEO of The Future Today Institute Amy Webb.
50 min
Reviews for the Macbook Air and iPad Pro (2020)...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss how the coronavirus is affecting tech companies of all sizes, the reviews Macbook Air and iPad Pro, the Huawei P40 Pro, and a Dell app that controls your iPhone.
75 min
Impossible Foods CEO Patrick Brown on a new kin...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Impossible Foods CEO Patrick Brown about Impossible's mission to replace animal-derived meat worldwide and what that would mean for our climate and culture.
47 min
Apple announces new iPad Pro and Macbook Air, S...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss the new iPad Pro and Macbook Air that Apple announced this week, the confusion around Google's coronavirus testing website, and the specs revealed for the PS5.
76 min
FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel on broadba...
Nilay Patel and Makena Kelly talk American broadband policy with FCC Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel
52 min
Galaxy S20 review and leaks of iOS 14, watchOS ...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss the review for the Samsung Galaxy S20, the latest Apple leaks, a Pixel 4a leak, and some Android TV news.
84 min
COVID-19: How it spreads, how to test for it, a...
Tracking its spread of the coronavirus, the response of authorities, how to test for it, and the economic impacts with Verge health reporter Nicole Wetsman and Verge deputy editor Liz Lopatto
54 min
Mac Pro and Pro Display review, TCL's folding p...
Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss The Verge's Mac Pro review, Apple reportedly releasing an iPad with a keyboard and trackpad, and a bunch of new phone concepts.
89 min
Political advertising on social media, privacy ...
Verge policy reporter Makena Kelly chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about important points in US tech policy recently as we go into the 2020 presidential election.
43 min
Galaxy S20 Ultra's camera issues and Bob Iger s...
Nilay, Paul, and Dieter discuss the Samsung Galaxy S20 camera, Bob Iger stepping down as Disney CEO, and gadget news you may have missed.
82 min
Argo’s CEO explains why its fleet of self-drivi...
49 min
Galaxy Z Flip review, CBS streaming service rev...
Nilay, Paul, and Dieter discuss the Samsung Galaxy Z Flip's Ultra Thin 'Glass', CBS' plan to improve their streaming app, and what we've seen from Android 11 so far
83 min
Chief Product Officer of Adobe Scott Belsky ret...
Chief Product Officer of Adobe Scott Belsky chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and reporter Dami Lee
52 min
Motorola Razr review, Samsung's Galaxy S20 even...
Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss whether Motorola's new Razr is worth the price, the biggest announcement's from Samsung's Unpacked event, and how T-Mobile and Sprint won a lawsuit to be able to merge.
88 min
New Jersey’s former attorney general on Ring ca...
Former New Jersey attorney general Anne Milgram stopped by the studio to talk with Verge editor in chief Nilay Patel and me, senior reporter Colin Lecher.
54 min
Iowa caucus app issues, Panos Panay takes over ...
Nilay Patel, Dieter, Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss the tech problems with Iowa's caucus, whether or not the US should buy Nokia, Microsoft’s Windows future tied to hardware, Google's Q4 earnings, and rumors about a new Apple TV.
65 min
How 5G and edge computing fit into the future o...
Dr. Venkata (Murthy) Renduchintala, the chief engineering officer and group president of the Technology, Systems Architecture and Client Group at Intel joined Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and news editor Chaim Gartenberg to discuss the present and future of Intel.
43 min
iPad turns 10, Apple's first quarter earnings, ...
Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss the iPad's place ten years in, Apple's first quarter results for fiscal year 2020, and the changes with Google's Search design
87 min
Neil Young says the Macbook Pro has “Fisher-Pri...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel chats with musician Neil Young and tech executive Phil Baker about their new book To Feel the Music: A Songwriter's Mission To Save High Quality Audio 
42 min
Apple's encryption controversy, Bezos's hacked ...
Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, Paul Miller, and Russell Brandom discuss Apple's encryption controversy, Bezos's hacked phone, and Sonos stopping old product updates
81 min
Rep. David Cicilline on regulating big tech mon...
Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI) speaks to The Verge's Nilay Patel and Adi Robertson about leading an investigation into how big tech platforms like Google, Amazon, and Apple are affecting competition for other tech companies.
27 min
August's Yves Behar and Jason Johnson unlock th...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel interviews Yves Behar and Jason Jason, co-founders of the smartlock company August
31 min
AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su talks new Ryzen 4000 chips ...
Editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel interviews AMD CEO Lisa Su at CES 2020
36 min
Microsoft’s Edge Chromium launches, NBC reveals...
The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss their takeaways from CES 2020, Microsoft entering the browser wars, and NBC enters the streaming wars.
71 min
Anna Wiener's Uncanny Valley
Anna Wiener talks to The Verge's Nilay Patel about her memoir Uncanny Valley
47 min
OnePlus' CEO Pete Lau doesn't think folding pho...
24 min
CES 2020 roundtable: Concept cars, Quibi, folda...
Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, Ashley Carman, and Sean O'Kane highlight the most important, weird, and surprising things The Verge saw at CES 2020.
71 min
CES 2020 Day 1: Sero rotating TV, Galaxy Chrome...
The Verge's Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Ashley Carman discuss what has already been announced at the start of CES 2020 as well as what to expect throughout the week.
52 min
The lives of YouTube moderators, a new smart ho...
This week: Casey Newton on the lives of YouTube moderators, Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn on plans to combine smart home standards, and Paul Miller Microsoft announces the Xbox Series X
77 min
The toxic work environment at Away
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks Verge news reporter Zoe Schiffer about the concerning working conditions at luggage startup Away and the details from the Verge investigation.
47 min
Apple's expensive Mac Pro, gadgets of the decad...
Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller discuss the gadgets of the decade, Apple's new Mac Pro, and Twitter thinking about decentralization.
77 min
FaZe Clan CEO talks growing pains, global expan...
Nilay Patel and Julia Alexander sit down with Lee Trink, CEO/Co-Owner of FaZe Clan.
66 min
Tesla Cybertruck first ride, Elon Musk's bad tw...
Dieter Bohn, Casey Newton, Andrew Hawkins, Liz Lopatto, and Paul Miller discuss the Tesla Cybertruck, Ford's electric Mustang, Elon Musk's defamation trial, and Google's co-founders relinquishing control of Alphabet.
79 min
How to fight lies, tricks, and chaos online
Verge reporter Adi Robertson talks to Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about how to spot lies, false information, and trolling online and how to handle it as a user on the internet
34 min
Pirate Radio » The PIRATE Act
Episode 3 of The Verge's Pirate Radio mini-series
19 min
Pirate Radio » Dial up!
Episode 2 of The Verge's Pirate Radio mini-series
20 min
Pirate Radio » Outside the wire
Episode 1 of The Verge's Pirate Radio mini-series
37 min
Apple releases 16-inch Macbook Pro, Motorola an...
The Vergecast goes through the products announced and launched this week including Apple's 16-inch Macbook Pro, Motorola's new Razr foldable phone, and Disney's streaming service.
71 min
How America gave up on free markets with Thomas...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to finance professor and an economist at the NYU stern school of business Thomas Philippon about his new book The Great Reversal: How America Gave Up on Free Markets
71 min
Microsoft Surface roundup: Surface Pro X, Surfa...
In a bonus episode of The Vergecast this week, Dieter Bohn hosts a Microsoft Surface roundup with deputy editor Dan Seifert and senior editor Tom Warren
62 min
Adobe Max 2019 announcements, AirPods Pro, and ...
This week on The Vergecast, everything that happened at Adobe Max 2019, reviews for the Microsoft Surface Pro X and AirPods Pro, and missed text messages from Valentines Day.
75 min
What happened in the comments section of the FC...
This week on The Vergecast, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks with Jeremy Singer-Vine, the data editor for the BuzzFeed News investigative unit, about his story that was published recently regarding the fake comments on the Federal Communications Commission’s online net neutrality debate.
34 min
The future of photos with Google Pixel camera's...
Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Ashley Carman are joined by Google Pixel camera product manager Isaac Reynolds and Instagram head of product Robby Stein to talk about how the photos we share influence the photos we take — and vice versa.
68 min
Amber Baldet on what blockchain technology can ...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel interviews cryptocurrency expert Amber Baldet, who is the co-founder of Clovyr and on the board of the Zcash foundation.
54 min
Reviewing the Pixel 4, the calm before the stre...
This week on The Vergecast, Dieter reviews the Pixel 4, Julia forsees the streaming wars, and Nilay explains Foxconn's next move in Wisconsin.
87 min
Will the Sprint and T-Mobile merger create comp...
Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Gigi Sohn, a distinguished fellow at Georgetown Law’s Institute for Technology Law and Policy about net neutrality and the Sprint/T-Mobile merger.
63 min
Pixel 4 hands-on and Mark Zuckerberg's speech o...
This week on The Vergecast, Nilay, Dieter, and Paul go through all the products Google announced at their event. Also, Casey Newton and Adi Robertson join the show to talk about Mark Zuckerberg's big speech on Facebook and free speech.
81 min
Google's Rick Osterloh shows off new Pixel and ...
Interview: SVP of Devices & Services at Google Rick Osterloh on Google's new hardware products announced this week
38 min
Twitter's Kayvon Beykpour on product features T...
Twitter’s head of product Kayvon Beykpour on how Twitter juggles its policy with trust and safety, the state of verification, the future of video in your feed, and how tweets can become more ephemeral.
54 min
A deep dive into macOS Catalina, iPadOS, and th...
This week on The Vergecast, Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Paul Miller go deep on Apple's updated operating systems: macOS Catalina and iPadOS.
75 min
Logitech's CEO Bracken Darrell on going beyond ...
This week on The Vergecast interview series, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel speaks to current CEO of Logitech Bracken Darrell.
70 min
Facebook's leaked audio, Microsoft's Surface ev...
On this episode, we've got some leaked audio from Facebook's internal meetings, a rundown of all the devices Microsoft announced this week, and what people may have missed regarding net neutrality this week.
80 min
Microsoft’s Panos Panay unfolds the Surface Duo
The Vergecast chats with Chief Product Officer of Microsoft Panos Panay about newly announced Surface products — including new foldable devices.
28 min
Inside Bill Gates' brain with Davis Guggenheim
Nilay Patel interviews filmmaker Davis Guggenheim about his new documentary "Inside Bill's Brain: Decoding Bill Gates"
31 min
Amazon's 80 new products, Oculus Connect, and X...
Nilay, Dieter, Adi, Ashley, and Paul discuss Amazon's 80 new products, Facebook's Oculus Connect event, a “surround screen” phone, and more.
90 min
John Gruber and Nilay Patel compare their iPhon...
John Gruber of Daring Fireball joins the Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel for the annual iPhone review week to compare notes on Apple's new iPhone 11 and 11 Pro.
115 min