The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The Gray Area with host Sean Illing is a philosophical take on culture, politics, and everything in between. We don’t pretend to have the answers, but we do offer a space for real dialogue. Resist certainty, embrace ambiguity, and get some cool takes on a very hot world. New episodes drop every Monday.

Philosophy
Politics
News Commentary
1
Can a friend be our most significant other?
Guest host Sigal Samuel is joined by her friend and journalist Rhaina Cohen, author of The Other Significant Others: Reimagining Life with Friendship at the Center.
47 min
2
The power of climate fiction
Stephen Markley is the author of the novel, “The Deluge.”
43 min
3
The denial of death
Filmmaker Jef Sewell discusses his new documentary on the work and thought of anthropologist Ernest Becker.
42 min
4
A brief history of extinction panics
Tyler Austin Harper joins Sean to talk about who’s panicking about AI, what they actually believe, and how panics of the past compare to the current moment.
46 min
5
The new(ish) world order
Journalist Alex Ward describes how foreign policy consensus is beginning to crack.
38 min
6
The free-market century is over
Sean Illing is joined by economist and author Brad DeLong, whose new book tells the economic history of mankind's most consequential era — and explains how and why it just ended
51 min
7
Music and mysticism
New Age music pioneer Laraaji on the mysticism of music and the sanctity of laughter.
43 min
8
The case for banning...millionaires?
Sean talks with political philosopher Ingrid Robeyns, whose new book Limitarianism makes the case for imposing limits on personal wealth.
50 min
9
The joy of uncertainty
Maggie Jackson, author of Uncertainty: The Wisdom and Wonder of Being Unsure, explains why the feeling of uncertainty is actually a pathway to better understanding and empathy.
45 min
10
A pro-worker work ethic
Political philosopher Elizabeth Anderson explains how “the biggest killjoys in European history” hijacked the way we think about work.
37 min
11
How psychedelics can reinvent learning
Guest host Sigal Samuels interviews neuroscientist Gul Dolen about her groundbreaking research, which points to a future where psychedelics might be the master key that unlocks conditions from strokes and autism to deafness and blindness… while helping us all to learn like little kids again.
33 min
12
Seeing ourselves through the darkness
A philosopher's new book on dark moods aims to help us escape the damage of our culture's most pervasive metaphor
52 min
13
Living Mindfully
Jon Kabat-Zinn has been a mindfulness pioneer since the 1970s. He joins us to reflect on its skyrocketing popularity.
37 min
14
Taking anarchism seriously
Philosopher Sophie Scott-Brown tells us why she is an anarchist
47 min
15
3,000 years of The Iliad
Emily Wilson on why the poem persists and what it teaches us about death
33 min
16
Late-stage liberalism
A discussion with political philosopher John Gray about his new book, The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism.
50 min
17
The case against free will
A discussion about whether or not free will exists and what it means for our society.
55 min
18
A Jew and a Muslim get honest about Israel and ...
How to think humanely about the Israel-Gaza horror.
56 min
19
How to keep panic from attacking
A discussion about panic and anxiety with Matt Gutman, the chief national correspondent for ABC News and the author of No Time to Panic: How I Curbed My Anxiety and Conquered a Lifetime of Panic Attacks.
46 min
20
We Are What We Watch
A conversation about how entertainment affects us mentally and physically, and why that’s okay.
53 min
21
Werner Herzog’s ecstatic truth
A conversation with Werner Herzog about the difference between facts and truth, and why he believes his writing will outlive his films.
53 min
22
The lessons of Sam Bankman-Fried
A discussion of why the world fell for a crypto billionaire.
52 min
23
Is America getting meaner?
A discussion with David Brooks about his essay, “How America Got Mean.”
51 min
24
Naomi Klein on her doppelganger (and yours)
What it’s like to journey into the “Mirror World.”
53 min
25
Should we press pause on AI?
A discussion about AI and the issue of control.
53 min