The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday.

Philosophy
Politics
News Commentary
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Is America collapsing like Ancient Rome?
42 min
27
The world according to Werner Herzog
53 min
28
Ta-Nehisi Coates on complexity, clarity, and tr...
We revel in complexity. But does our desire to understand that complexity sometimes over-complicate an issue?
66 min
29
Your mind needs chaos
Oshan Jarow speaks with philosopher of neuroscience Mark Miller about how our minds actually work and why we thrive on creativity and chaos.
49 min
30
Musician Laraaji on the origin of creativity
Sean revisits his interview with musician Laraaji, a pioneer of new age music who has recorded more than 50 albums since he was discovered busking in a park by Brian Eno.
44 min
31
Is AI creative?
The first conversation in our three-part series about creativity
38 min
32
Happiness isn’t the goal
Are we wired to worry?
51 min
33
A message from Sean
Sean Illing has a special message for all you listeners: Look at me!
1 min
34
What if we get climate change right?
A marine biologist tells Sean why he shouldn't be a "climate sad boy"
45 min
35
Yuval Noah Harari on the eclipsing of human int...
79 min
36
Why cynicism is bad for you
Psychologist Jamil Zaki explains why cynicism is a trap, and how to avoid it
55 min
37
Poetry as religion
The paradoxes of living a meaningful life are worth exploring... even if there's no God
51 min
38
The jazz musician’s guide to the universe
A cosmologist uses jazz to help make sense of the multiverse
49 min
39
Revisiting the "father of capitalism"
What we get wrong about moral philosopher Adam Smith
47 min
40
Breaking our family patterns
How our "origin wounds" from childhood hold us back, according to an acclaimed marriage and family therapist
58 min
41
Why Orwell matters
The author of Animal Farm and 1984 is now an adjective. But what does "Orwellian" actually mean?
48 min
42
The timebomb the founding fathers left us
The Constitution is the crisis
48 min
43
Swear like a philosopher
Sean Illing talks to philosopher Rebecca Roache about why swear words hold the power to offend and delight.
41 min
44
Taking Nietzsche seriously
Sean Illing talks with political science professor Matt McManus about the political thought of Friedrich Nietzsche, the 19th-century German philosopher with a complicated legacy.
58 min
45
What India teaches us about liberalism — and it...
Zack Beauchamp is joined by scholar Pratap Bhanu Mehta to discuss the past and present of Indian liberalism and what it says about the future of global politics.
43 min
46
1992: The year politics broke
Writer John Ganz joins Sean to discuss the conservative movement of the 1990s and how it foreshadowed the MAGA movement and the hyper-partisan politics of today.
41 min
47
The existential struggle of being Black
Nathalie Etoke joins Sean to talk about how the struggle for Black liberation is inextricable from the philosophical tradition of existentialism.
51 min
48
The world after nuclear war
Journalist Annie Jacobsen scares the hell out of Sean by describing the terrifying realities of a nuclear missile attack.
53 min
49
Gaza, Camus, and the logic of violence
Professor Robert Zaretsky joins Sean to discuss Albert Camus’s thoughtful response to the French-Algerian conflict and how those lessons might apply to the ongoing war in Gaza.
51 min
50
This is your kid on smartphones
Professor Jonathan Haidt joins Sean to discuss the effects of smartphones and social media on the mental health of young people.
50 min