Decoder with Nilay Patel

Decoder is a new show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

How an Excel TikToker manifested her way to mak...
Miss Excel went viral on TikTok and instagram teaching Microsoft Excel tricks while dancing to pop songs. She now makes six figures a day selling training courses.
46 min
Why the future of work is the future of travel,...
Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky talks about what it was like to lose 80 percent of his business in eight weeks and how restricting the company saved them. Brian also talks about what it has been like working with Jony Ive.
68 min
Why charging phones is such a complex business,...
Nilay Patel talks to Anker CEO Steven Yang about making your charging experience better.
59 min
The secrets of the first real smartphone, with ...
Nilay Patel talks to Verge executive editor Dieter Bohn about his documentary Springboard: the secret history of the first real smartphone.
19 min
Meta’s Andrew Bosworth on moving Facebook to th...
Alex Heath interviews Andrew Bosworth about changing the Facebook name to Meta, mixed reality, and building the metaverse
39 min
Adobe's Scott Belsky on how NFTs will change cr...
Nilay Patel talks to Scott Belsky Chief Product Officer at Adobe and Executive Vice President, Creative Cloud.
60 min
How Jeep is going electric, with CEO Christian ...
Nilay Patel talks to Jeep CEO Christian Meuiner about plug-in hybrids and the future of Jeep.
68 min
How Amazon runs Alexa, with Dave Limp
Nilay Patel talks to Amazon senior vice president of devices and services, Dave Limp.
71 min
Land of the Giants: This Changes Everything
32 min
Waymo co-CEO Tekedra Mawakana on how to get sel...
Nilay Patel talked to Tekedra Mawakana, co-CEO of Waymo, about expanding Waymo’s service to other cities, the hurdles in place, and how she thinks the company will make money over time.
31 min
John Carreyrou’s final chapter on the Theranos ...
Nilay Patel talks to John Carreyrou about Theranos
56 min
How F*ck You Pay Me is empowering creators
Nilay Patel talks to Lindsey Lee Lugrin, the CEO and co-founder of an app trying to help creators navigate brand deals.
60 min
It's brutal out here: Olivia Rodrigo and how th...
Nilay Patel talks to Switched on Pop co-host Charlie Harding about copyright in the music industry
60 min
How Slack changed Apple’s employee culture, wit...
Nilay Patel talks to reporter Zoë Schiffer about Apple's changing culture
61 min
Everything you need to know about the global ch...
Harvard professor Willy Shih explains the existential problem affecting cars, phones, computers, and why it's so hard to buy a PS5
60 min
The quirks and features of YouTube car reviews ...
Nilay Patel talks with Doug DeMuro, who reviews cars on YouTube for almost 10 years. Nilay and Doug talk about the economics of YouTube, how Doug feels about the platform, and about the new company he co-founded called Cars and Bids.
72 min
Meet the self-driving brains working with Ford ...
Nilay Patel sits down with Argo AI CEO Bryan Salesky talks about realistic timelines for automated cars, the ‘promise’ of 5G, and new self-driving Lyfts.
61 min
Here’s why Apple’s new child safety features ar...
56 min
YouTube's Chief Product Officer Neal Mohan on t...
72 min
Chuck Todd on why Meet the Press can’t survive ...
46 min
How Blackstone became the darling of grill TikT...
Nilay Patel talks to Bklackstone CEO Roger Dahle about how his griddle took over TikTok and all the ways he markets his products
63 min
Can Polestar design a new kind of car company?
Nilay Patel talks with Thomas Ingenlath, CEO of Polestar, a new car company with close family ties to Volvo.
52 min
Land of the Giants: Delivery Wars
Land of the Giants is a podcast that explores how the biggest tech companies rose to power, and what they're doing with that power.
32 min
Juul and the business of addiction, with Lauren...
72 min
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella on the business of ...
Nilay Patel talks with Satya Nadella, the CEO and chairman of Microsoft.
34 min
Patreon CEO Jack Conte on why creators can’t de...
Nilay Patel talks with Jack Conte, co-founder and CEO of Patreon.
60 min
John Deere CTO Jahmy Hindman on farming, data, ...
Nilay Patel talks with Jahmy Hindman, chief technology office at John Deere, the world’s biggest manufacturer of farming machinery.
58 min
The next generation of startups is remote, with...
Nilay Patel talks with Y Combinator's managing director Michael Siebel.
59 min
Why Spotify’s chief legal officer called Apple ...
Nilay Patel talks with Horacio Gutierrez, head of global affairs and chief legal officer of Spotify.
60 min
How to build everything, with Flex CEO Revathi ...
Flex is the third largest electronics manufacturing company in the world.
56 min
Ford CEO Jim Farley on building the electric F-...
CEO of Ford Motor Company Jim Farley discusses Ford’s second big push into consumer EVs with the F-150 Lightning.
41 min
Facebook’s Oversight Board has upheld the Trump...
Nilay Patel talks with Kate Klonick, a law professor at St John's University Law School, and one of the foremost chroniclers of Facebook’s moderation efforts.
51 min
How Shopify’s network of small businesses can t...
Nilay Patel talks with Harley Finkelstein, President of Shopify.
56 min
Senator Amy Klobuchar takes on Apple with antit...
Senator Amy Klobuchar sits down with host Nilay Patel to discuss her new book Antitrust: Taking on Monopoly Power from the Gilded Age to the Digital Age
43 min
How Anjali Sud stopped worrying about YouTube a...
Nilay Patel talks with Anjali Sud, the CEO of Vimeo.
58 min
Is VR the next frontier in fitness?
Nilay Patel talks with Chris Milk, founder and CEO of Within, which makes the VR fitness app Supernatural.
55 min
Is there a future for Bitcoin? An investor and ...
Nilay Patel talks with a bitcoin enthusiast, Nic Carter, and a bitcoin skeptic, Prof. Steve Hanke, to get both sides of the bitcoin debate.
75 min
Facebook's VP of Global Affairs doesn’t think t...
Platformer editor and Verge contributing editor Casey Newton interviews Facebook's VP of Global Affairs Nick Clegg
46 min
Poshmark’s Tracy Sun on stitching e-commerce wi...
58 min
The robots are coming for your office, with NYT...
Nilay Patel sits down with New York Times tech columnist Kevin Roose to discuss the impact of automation on our future.
58 min
Australia vs Facebook — and how regulation is s...
Nilay Patel talks with CEO of Atlassian Scott Farquhar about Australia's Media Bargaining Code and how it will work in the country now that it’s passed.
62 min
How Twitter is building its future, with Kayvon...
Nilay Patel talks with Twitter’s Head of Consumer Product, Keyvon Beykpour
70 min
Underunderstood: Why is This Sheriff Arresting ...
Feed drop with the Underunderstood podcast
45 min
Meet Austin Russell, the 25-year-old billionair...
Luminar’s founder and CEO on why he thinks LIDAR is the future of self-driving technology.
54 min
Evil Geniuses' CEO Nicole LaPointe Jameson on h...
Nilay Patel talks with CEO of Evil Geniuses about how an esports team makes money, where the industry is headed, and where she sees growth.
63 min
CNBC’s Jon Fortt on GameStop, Robinhood, and wa...
CNBC anchor Jon Fortt unpacks how the GameStop stock story was covered by the media and if technology has the ability to democratize the markets through apps like Robinhood.
64 min
Black Software author on technology’s role in r...
The Verge's Nilay talks with Charlton McIlwain, a professor of media, culture, and communications at NYU and the author of Black Software.
63 min
Venture Capitalism isn’t just for Venture Capit...
Nilay Patel talks with venture capitalist Arlan Hamilton, founder of VC fund Backstage Capital.
50 min
The SolarWinds hack: cyber attacks and national...
The Verge's Nilay Patel talks with Joseph Menn, the cybersecurity journalist who helped break the story at Reuters about the SolarWinds cyberattack.
52 min
Marques Brownlee on how to scale MKBHD while be...
Nilay Patel talks with Marques Brownlee about building a business as a YouTuber, how content creators make money, and how to scale when you are the brand.
58 min
Instagram’s Adam Mosseri on the future of Reels...
The Verge's Nilay Patel talks with head of Instagram Adam Mosseri about how to run a creative platform like Instagram at scale while keeping users — and democracy — safe.
61 min
Trump, Twitter, and the First Amendment, with p...
Nilay Patel talks with regulation expert and law professor Daphne Keller about how to moderate what happens on the internet.
56 min
The business of meatless meat with Beyond Meat ...
Nilay Patel talks with Beyond Meat founder and CEO Ethan Brown about the increased demand for plant-based proteins.
43 min
How the @!#$ does advertising work, with Cadill...
Nilay Patel talks with Cadillac CMO Melissa Grady about how advertising has been reinvented by technology.
57 min
Can Substack CEO Chris Best build a new model f...
Nilay Patel talks with Chris Best, cofounder and CEO of Substack
59 min
Alamo Drafthouse CEO Shelli Taylor on going bac...
Nilay Patel talks with Shelli Taylor, who stepped into her new role as CEO of Alamo Drafthouse during the pandemic.
41 min
Microsoft's Phil Spencer on launching the new X...
Nilay Patel talks with Phil Spencer, executive vice-president of gaming at Microsoft about the launch of the two new Xboxes.
68 min
Remote learning is here to stay — can we make i...
Nilay Patel talks with Sal Khan, the co-founder and CEO of Khan Academy, a nonprofit online learning platform for students in kindergarten through high school.
54 min
Mark Cuban on the presidency and the future of ...
On the first episode of Decoder, Nilay Patel interviews Mark Cuban.
53 min
Welcome to Decoder
3 min
Recode Decode series finale: Vox CEO Jim Bankof...
After five years, Kara Swisher signs off as the host of Recode Decode.
110 min
Recode Decode: Sridhar Ramaswamy
Former Google executive Sridhar Ramaswamy talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new startup, Neeva, which promises to offer paying subscribers a search engine with no ads and no data collection.
61 min
Recode Decode: Rose Marcario
Former Patagonia CEO Rose Marcario talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the company's history of activism, the Facebook ad boycott that Patagonia helped start, and what she hopes it will accomplish.
34 min
Recode Decode: Aminatou Sow
"Call Your Girlfriend" co-host Aminatou Sow talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about upcoming book with Ann Friedman, "Big Friendship: How We Keep Each Other Close."
49 min
Recode Decode: Samantha Power
Harvard professor Samantha Power, the former US ambassador the United Nations, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her 2019 memoir The Education of an Idealist, what idealism looks like now in America, and the Trump administration's deadly mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic — and what she would do differently were she in charge.
62 min
Recode Decode: Barry Lyga and Morgan Baden
"The Hive" authors Barry Lyga and Morgan Baden talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about how they came to write a young adult book about a social media dystopia, based on a cinematic idea from actor Jennifer Beals and producer Tom Jacobson.
45 min
Recode Decode: Symone Sanders
Symone Sanders, a senior advisor to Joe Biden and former national press secretary for Bernie Sanders, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the 2020 campaign and her new memoir, "No, You Shut Up: Speaking Truth to Power and Reclaiming America."
46 min
Recode Decode: Jason Fried
Basecamp CEO Jason Fried talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the company's new email product, Hey, which he describes as "the most ambitious and stupidest thing we’ve ever done."
54 min
Recode Decode: Katie Couric
Katie Couric, the former host of the Today Show and anchor of the CBS Evening News, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about why the current moment of political protest feels unlike anything that came before; the fine line between objectivity and advocacy in journalism; and her upcoming memoir, "Unexpected."
57 min
Recode Decode: Jill Lepore
American historian and New Yorker staff writer Jill Lepore talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new podcast, "The Last Archive," which investigates "who killed truth?" in the style of a true-crime show.
53 min
Recode Decode: Bart Gellman
Journalist and author Bart Gellman talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his newest book, "Dark Mirror: Edward Snowden and the American Surveillance State."
59 min
Recode Decode: Andy Puddicombe, Robin Arzon, an...
Recode's Kara Swisher talks with three guests about how to take care of your mind, body, and spirit while in quarantine: Headspace co-founder Andy Puddicombe, Peloton's head instructor Robin Arzon. and former Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson.
65 min
Recode Decode: Frances Frei
Harvard Business School professor Frances Frei talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the new book she wrote with her wife Anne Morriss, "Unleashed: The Unapologetic Leader's Guide to Empowering Everyone Around You."
46 min
Recode Decode: Daniel Schreiber
Lemonade CEO and co-founder Daniel Schreiber talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about what happens to an insurance in a crisis like COVID-19, how some of the money from Lemonade customers' premiums will be allocated to coronavirus relief, and whether the insurance industry can be fully automated.
46 min
Recode Decode: Jon Mooallem
New York Times Magazine writer-at-large Jon Mooallem talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his newest book, "This Is Chance!: The Shaking of an All-American City, A Voice That Held It Together."
45 min
Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell
Phil Howard, the Oxford Internet Institute director and author of "Lie Machines," and Emily Bell, the director of Columbia University's Tow Center for Digital Journalism, talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about the state of disinformation and propaganda in the coronavirus pandemic and how what we're hearing this year compares to the state-organized propaganda that infected elections in 2016.
57 min
Recode Decode: Dara Khosrowshahi
Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about Uber's evolving response to the COVID-19 pandemic, how it's preparing for the world to re-open, and the one segment of the company that is thriving right now — its food delivery business, UberEats.
63 min
Recode Decode: Brian Chesky
Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky returns to Recode Decode to talk with Kara Swisher about how the company is "going back to our roots" after the COVID-19 pandemic delayed its IPO; the future of travel and hospitality in a world with way fewer people taking airplanes; and how Airbnb tried to "lead by example" in its severance payments and benefits to laid-off employees.
65 min
Recode Decode: Gene Sperling
Former Clinton and Obama economic advisor Gene Sperling talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his latest book, "Economic Dignity," and how the COVID-19 pandemic is changing attitudes toward essential labor and compensation.
51 min
Recode Decode: Casey Newton and Louie Swisher
Recode's Kara Swisher talks with the Verge's Casey Newton and her older son, Louie Swisher, about how the COVID-19 pandemic and quarantine has affected their tech habits.
57 min
Recode Decode: Jon Meacham
Historian and bestselling author Jon Meacham talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new podcast Hope Through History, which shows how Americans endured crises such as the Great Depression and the 1918 flu pandemic and came out the other side as a stronger nation.
44 min
Recode Decode: Maye Musk
Model and dietitian Maye Musk (the mother of Tesla/SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, entrepreneur Kimbal Musk, and filmmaker Tosca Musk) talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her memoir, "A Woman Makes a Plan: Advice for a Lifetime of Adventure, Beauty, and Success."
44 min
Recode Decode: Joe Walsh
Former Republican Congressman Joe Walsh talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about why he tried to primary Donald Trump earlier this year, how the Republican Party became a "cult," and his recent book, "F*ck Silence: Calling Trump Out for the Cultish, Moronic, Authoritarian Con Man He Is."
48 min
Recode Decode: Scott Galloway
NYU Professor and "Pivot" co-host Scott Galloway returns to "Recode Decode" to talk about his new show on Vice TV, "No Mercy, No Malice with Professor Scott Galloway."
66 min
Recode Decode: Alexis Coe
Political historian Alexis Coe talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her latest book, "You Never Forget Your First: A Biography of George Washington," which seeks to break the staid formula by which all other books about America's first president have been written.
60 min
Recode Decode: Alex Kantrowitz
BuzzFeed News reporter Alex Kantrowitz talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, "Always Day One: How The Tech Titans Plan To Stay On Top Forever."
53 min
Recode Decode: Ryan Murphy
TV producer Ryan Murphy — who created or produced shows like Glee, 911, and American Horror Story — talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new Netflix miniseries, Hollywood, which blends real history with fictional characters to imagine a more inclusive "what-if" version of the postwar film business.
61 min
Recode Decode: Dave Asprey
Bulletproof founder and former CEO Dave Asprey talks about the invention and current state of “biohacking," how his blog for “bulletproof executives” grew into a global lifestyle, and the most important ways to track and improve one’s life.
65 min
Recode Decode: Nikole Hannah-Jones
New York Times Magazine reporter Nikole Hannah-Jones talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the coronavirus pandemic is magnifying inequality in the US, and our historical failure to treat essential workers — from meat-packing plants to checkout counters to delivery drivers — with the respect and protection they deserve.
50 min
Recode Decode: Sarah Kendzior
Bestselling author and "Gaslit Nation" co-host Sarah Kendzior talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, "Hiding in Plain Sight: The Invention of Donald Trump and the Erosion of America"; what pundits get wrong about propaganda and election interference; and the “insane way” journalists treat Donald Trump’s Twitter bully pulpit.
58 min
Recode Decode: Tim Ferriss
Bestselling author and podcaster Tim Ferriss talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his advice for people coping with the coronavirus quarantine, which includes giving yourself slack for being unproductive, afraid, and fatigued; the crucial difference between fast decisions and rushed ones; and why the pandemic crisis is a "natural culling of the herd" for businesses in a "bloated capitalist system" that have no resilience.
67 min
Recode Decode: Mark Cuban
Investor, Dallas Mavericks owner, and "Shark Tank" co-host Mark Cuban talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about what capitalism and entrepreneurship looks like in a post-coronavirus world; whether he's planning to run for political office, and what his platform would be if he did; and what it will take for professional sports to come back.
61 min
Recode Decode: Mayor London Breed
San Francisco Mayor London Breed talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about why she was one of the first local leaders in the US to act on the spread of covid-19, how she thinks about the slow and dishonest response from President Trump, and what long-term recovery will look like for SF and beyond.
61 min
Recode Decode: Jeffrey Katzenberg
Quibi founder Jeffrey Katzenberg talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the first week of the short-form video app — which was intended for on-the-go consumers, but still racked up 1.7 million downloads, even though most of the world is currently staying at home.
60 min
Recode Decode: Sarah Frier
Bloomberg technology reporter Sarah Frier talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, "No Filter: The Inside Story of Instagram."
50 min
Recode Decode: Adam Grant
Organizational psychologist Adam Grant, the author of "Originals" and host of the podcast "WorkLife," talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the benefits of working from home, and how work will change during the COVID-19 quarantine — and after.
54 min
Recode Decode: Niall Ferguson
Historian Niall Ferguson, the author of bestselling books such as "The Ascent of Money" and "The Square and the Tower," talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new PBS series, "Networld," which explores the history and science of networks.
53 min
Recode Decode: Kevin Systrom
Instagram co-founder and former CEO Kevin Systrom talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the data analysis he has conducted and publicized about the global spread of coronavirus, and what it tells us the future looks like.
49 min
Recode Decode: David Plouffe
Former Obama advisor David Plouffe — who since leaving the White House has worked with Uber, the Chan-Zuckerberg Initiative, and Acronym — talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, A Citizen's Guide to Beating Donald Trump.
57 min
Recode Decode: Stewart Butterfield
Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how coronavirus changed everything for Slack and its customers, the sudden transition to "work from home" across the country, and how the company is handling a surge in usage at the same time that other plans and resources are being constrained.
55 min