It's Complicated

Join former federal prosecutor and CNN Legal Analyst Renato Mariotti and former Special Agent at the FBI and Legal Analyst Asha Rangappa as they dive deeper into complicated issues in the news.

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Unexpected Prosecutions: Manafort's State Charg...
Renato and Patti discuss the charges brought against Manafort by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance as well as the wide-ranging college admissions fraud charges brought by federal prosecutors in Massachusetts. They are joined by Joyce Vance, former United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama and MSNBC Legal Analyst.
47 min
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Manafort Sentenced: Does Manafort's Lenient Sen...
Renato and Patti discuss the lenient sentence given to former Trump chair Paul Manafort by federal judge T.S. Ellis, as well as sentencing disparities and other structural inequities in federal sentencing law. They are joined by former federal prosecutor Ken White, who tweets and blogs as "Popehat."
58 min
128
Michael Cohen Testifies: Evidence of Financial ...
Renato and Patti discuss the Congressional testimony of former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen, including his discussing potential evidence of financial crimes as well as the evidence underlying his campaign finance convictions. They are joined by MSNBC Legal Analyst Mimi Rocah, a former Southern District of New York prosecutor, and Congressman Ro Khanna (D-CA), a member of the House Oversight Committee.
72 min
129
Facilitating Lies: What Should Trump Administra...
In this special episode, Renato interviews Erica Newland, who quit the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel because she believed that by aiding unconstitutional and dishonest policies, she was assisting the Trump Administration by legitimizing lies. Erica is now a counsel for the nonprofit group Protect Democracy.
45 min
130
End of the Mueller Investigation: What Will We ...
Renato and Patti discuss recent reports that the investigation of Special Counsel Robert Mueller will end soon and that Attorney General William Barr will release a summary of Mueller’s report but not the full report. They are joined by former FBI counterintelligence agent and CNN Legal Analyst Asha Rangappa.
54 min
131
State of Chaos: What Comes Next for Mueller and...
Renato and Patti discuss numerous new legal developments, including the confirmation of Bill Barr as Attorney General, comments by Senator Richard Burr about evidence of “collusion” allegedly not found by his investigation, and the “national emergency” declared by Trump. They are joined by Barb McQuade, former United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan and a MSNBC Legal Analyst, and Syracuse Law Professor William C. Banks.
83 min
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State of Lies: How Should the Press Cover Trump...
Renato and Patti discuss Trump’s frequent false and misleading statements and how the media’s coverage of Trump’s lies could contribute to the distortion of public debate caused by his false statements. They are joined by Daniel Dale, the Washington Bureau Chief for the Toronto Star and a frequent fact checker of Trump’s speeches.
53 min
133
Suspension of the INF Treaty: Did Trump put Rus...
Renato discussed the Trump Administration’s decision to suspend the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) with Russia, and whether the Trump Administration’s foreign policy has put Russian interests ahead of our own. He was joined by Samantha Vinograd, a CNN National Security Analyst who was a former National Security Council official and held numerous foreign policy roles in the Obama and Bush Administrations.
45 min
134
Roger Stone Indicted: What Does This Mean for M...
Renato and Patti discuss the recent indictment of Trump associate Roger Stone, who was indicted for lying to Congress, witness tampering, and obstructing the investigation of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. They are joined by Congressman Mike Quigley (D-IL), a member of that committee, and Barb McQuade, the former United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan and a MSNBC Legal Analyst.
68 min
135
Mueller Corrects the Record: What Does This Mea...
Renato and Patti discuss the recent Buzzfeed News report that indicated there was substantial evidence that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress as well as the public statement by Mueller that the article is inaccurate and calls for Congress to investigate this and other matters. They are joined by former Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal.
77 min
136
FBI Counterintelligence Investigation of Trump:...
Renato and Patti discuss the recent news that the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation to determine if Trump was compromised by Russia and whether he was working for Russia to advance their interests ahead of our own. They are joined by former FBI counterintelligence agent Asha Rangappa and former CIA officer John Sipher, who ran the CIA’s Russia’s operations.
89 min
137
State of Emergency: As the “Wall” Fight Looms, ...
Renato and Patti discuss the president’s “emergency” powers, including the limits of those powers, how they can be challenged, and how they should be reformed, with Syracuse Law Professor William C. Banks. They also speak at length with MSNBC Legal Analyst Mimi Rocah about many recent developments in the Mueller investigation, including the revelation that former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort provided private polling data to a Russian intelligence operative.
78 min
138
The New Democratic House: How can Gerrymanderin...
Renato and Patti discuss gerrymandering, which dilutes the power of voters to choose representatives, as well as campaign finance reform with Paul Smith, who has represents citizens in important gerrymandering and campaign finance reform cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. They also speak with Congressman Ro Khanna (D-CA) about the legislation introduced by House Democrats to combat gerrymandering and reform campaign finance, as well as the agenda for House Democrats in the year ahead.
74 min
139
Answering Your Questions: What Happened This Ye...
Renato and Patti discuss the most important legal news from the past year and what we can expect in the year ahead from the investigations of Donald Trump and his associates. Patti asks many questions from listeners to Renato and Joyce Vance, the former United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama and MSNBC Legal Analyst.
67 min
140
Whitaker Doesn't Recuse, Barr's Memo, and Flynn...
Renato and Patti discuss three topics related to Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation--the hearing regarding General Michael Flynn's sentencing (and whether he committed treason), Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker's decision not to recuse from supervising the Mueller investigation, and the lengthy memo written by Attorney General nominee William Barr and sent to Justice Department officials and Trump's lawyers. They're joined by Matthew Miller, former Justice Department spokesperson and MSNBC contributor (regarding Whitaker and Barr) and Carlton Larson, Professor of Law at University of California at Davis (regarding treason).
74 min
141
Trump Implicated: Is Trump Guilty of a Campaign...
In this special episode, Renato and Patti discuss in depth the allegations that Trump committed a campaign finance crime when he caused hush money payments to be made to two women during his campaign. They are joined by POLITICO reporter Josh Gerstein, former Federal Election Commission Chairman Trevor Potter, and former White House Counsel Bob Bauer.
90 min
142
Cohen Sentenced and Butina Flips: Who will fede...
Renato and Patti discuss the sentencing of Michael Cohen, the non-prosecution agreement with the company that owns the National Enquirer, and the potential cooperation of Russian spy Maria Butina. They are joined by Mimi Rocah, a former federal prosecutor and MSNBC Legal Analyst.
61 min
143
Cohen and Manafort Filings: What Criminal Liabi...
Renato and Patti discuss the recent filings by federal prosecutors in New York and Special Counsel Robert Mueller, including the conclusion by federal prosecutors that Donald Trump directed Michael Cohen to commit federal crimes. They are joined by Neal Katyal, the former Acting Solicitor General who authored the Special Counsel regulations.
70 min
144
Cohen and Flynn Sentencing Memoranda: What Do T...
Renato and Patti discuss the revelation in Michael Cohen’s sentencing memorandum that Cohen discussed his false testimony with Trump’s lawyers. They also discuss the sentencing memorandum in Michael Flynn’s case, which was filed as the podcast was recorded. They are joined by former federal prosecutor Ken White, who tweets as @Popehat.
54 min
145
Cohen Cooperates and Pleads: What Does This Mea...
Renato and Patti discuss Michael Cohen’s plea to the crime of lying to Congress and his cooperation deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller. They also discuss the news that Manafort’s lawyers shared confidential information from Mueller with President Donald Trump’s lawyers. They are joined by Asha Rangappa, a CNN Legal Analyst, former FBI counterintelligence agent, and professor at Yale’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs.
53 min
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Manafort Allegedly Lied to Prosecutors and Met ...
Renato and Patti discuss Mueller’s allegation that former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort repeatedly lied to Mueller and the FBI after he agreed to cooperate. They also discuss the news that Manafort allegedly met with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange multiple times. They are joined by Joyce Vance, the former United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama and MSNBC Legal Analyst.
46 min
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Trump Against the Courts: Will Courts Continue ...
Renato and Patti discuss Trump’s criticism of Chief Justice Roberts as well as the asylum decision that prompted Trump’s attack on the judge that prompted Chief Justice Roberts to act. They also discuss the Trump Administration’s unusual decision to seek early Supreme Court review of the transgender ban. They are joined by Chris Geidner, Legal Editor and Supreme Court Correspondent at Buzzfeed News.
61 min
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Revocation of a Press Credential: Assault on th...
Renato and Patti discuss the revocation of the press credential of CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jim Acosta and a federal judge’s ruling that excluding Acosta violated the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment. They discuss what the judge’s decision meant, how Trump’s attacks on the press endanger the First Amendment, and how future government actions will pose unique First Amendment issues.
41 min
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Acting Attorney General Whitaker Under Scrutiny...
Renato discusses whether Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker was lawfully appointed, whether he must recuse himself, and whether his extreme legal views should disqualify him from serving. He is joined by Asha Rangappa, a CNN Legal Analyst, former FBI counterintelligence agent, and professor at Yale’s Jackson Institute for Global Affairs.
57 min
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Sessions is Fired: Will Whitaker Fire or Limit ...
Renato and Patti discuss the firing of Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the appointment of Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker. They are joined by Mimi Rocah, a MSNBC Legal Analyst and former federal prosecutor.
31 min