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Off the Chain

Host Anthony "Pomp" Pompliano talks to some of the most respected names in crypto and Wall Street to find out how intelligent investors from the new and old financial system are thinking about digital assets.

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James Slazas, Founder of DARMA Capital: The Per...
James Slazas and Anthony Pompliano discuss his decision to use Quant strategies in crypto, how important institutional infrastructure is, what he's doing with the Open Law Initiative, and how crypto is related to the 2008 financial crisis.
40 min
102
Rachel Feinstein, Actress & Comedian: The Stori...
Rachel Feinstein and Anthony Pompliano discuss the daily routine of a comedian, how Rachel builds her career, what she finds so funny about finance folks, and she tells a number of hilarious stories about her husband and his friends' obsession with Bitcoin.
93 min
103
Chris Hutchins, Founder & CEO of Grove: Financi...
Chris Hutchins and Anthony Pompliano discuss the biggest mistakes people make in financial planning, how Bitcoin compares to other assets, and where Bitcoin should fit in your portfolio.
46 min
104
Ben Askren, UFC Fighter, and Martin Floreani, C...
Ben Askren, Martin Floreani and Anthony Pompliano discuss what it takes to be a UFC fighter, what drew Ben to Bitcoin and crypto, what the current issues with content platforms are today, how RokFin is attempting to solve some of those issues, and where Ben and Martin see crypto evolving in the future.
48 min
105
Frederic Chesnais, CEO of Atari: The Legendary ...
Frederic Chesnais and Anthony Pompliano discuss the history of Atari's brand, how cryptocurrencies can incentivize new types of work, why gaming is finding product/market fit in crypto, and what Atari plans to do to capitalize on the crypto opportunity.
51 min
106
Andrew Keys, Co-Founder of ConsenSys: The Histo...
Andrew Keys and Anthony Pompliano discuss the early days of ConsenSys, the reason why Blockchain technology is ultimately about automation, what Andrew's derivative of the Fat Protocol thesis is, and what it's like to live in Puerto Rico.
42 min
107
Misir Mahmudov, Analyst at Adaptive Capital: Wh...
Misir Mahmudov and Anthony Pompliano discuss the importance of understanding money, scarcity as a driver of value, why gold used to be money, why Bitcoin is the digital gold, an analysis of Bitcoin's future market cap, and the idea of Bitcoin as stored time.
74 min
108
Jesse Powell, Co-Founder & CEO of Kraken: How t...
Jesse Powell and Anthony Pompliano discuss the founding story of Kraken, what it means to build a company based on principles and ethos, the current regulatory environment, and why the work being done in Wyoming is compelling.
58 min
109
Dmitry Tokarev, CEO of Copper: The True Drivers...
Dmitry Tokarev and Anthony Pompliano discuss the buy-side problems with legacy markets, what financial infrastructure actually entails, how custody and prime brokerage in crypto is evolving, and why LPs drive decision making in investing.
50 min
110
Ben Mezrich, Author of Bitcoin Billionaires: Th...
Ben Mezrich and Anthony Pompliano discuss how he found the Bitcoin Billionaires story, what he learned while writing the book, why he's fascinated by Bitcoin, and what he believes the future of money holds.
44 min
111
Jake Yocom-Piatt, Project lead for Decred: Cryp...
Jake Yocom-Piatt and Anthony Pompliano discuss how he was early in Bitcoin, why he stepped away, how Decred works, how different people in the Decred ecosystem make money, why experts shouldn't be deferred to, and why managing ego is so important in the cryptocurrency industry.
40 min
112
David Fauchier, Founder of Cambrial Capital: Th...
David Fauchier and Anthony Pompliano discuss why he chose to create a fund of funds, why he's so interested in the intersection of DeFi, generalized mining, Quant, and VC, where the current investment opportunities are for professional LPs, and some of the bad things he's seen people do already.
50 min
113
Haseeb Qureshi, Advisor to Metastable Capital: ...
Haseeb Qureshi and Anthony Pompliano discuss how success metrics for blockchain protocols are different from traditional companies, why narratives follow rather than lead, how to think about the smart contract wars, and why Bitcoin holders are so important.
43 min
114
Mason Borda, CEO of TokenSoft: Is Programmable ...
Mason Borda and Anthony Pompliano discuss the framework he uses to think through digital securities versus non-securities, what TokenSoft does, what it means for a security to be programmable, and what most people don't understand about digital securities.
46 min
115
Dave Hendricks, Co-Founder & CEO of Vertalo: Th...
Dave Hendricks and Anthony Pompliano discuss the structural issues in the legacy system, how we can fix them, what it means to tokenize venture funded companies, and how you at home could benefit from this movement.
51 min
116
Camila Russo, Author and Former Bloomberg Repor...
Camila Russo and Anthony Pompliano discuss how she discovered Bitcoin while covering Argentina's financial markets, why crypto has captured her interest, how traditional journalists view crypto and Bitcoin today, why she is writing the book on Ethereum, and what stories she has learned along the way.
45 min
117
Clay Collins, Co-Founder and CEO of Nomics: Ide...
Clay Collins and Anthony Pompliano discuss how crypto market data works, what the biggest challenges are, why exchange data transparency, and identification of fake volume is so important, and how the price you see on most crypto websites gets there.
61 min
118
Zooko Wilcox, CEO of Zcash: The Evolution of Le...
Zooko Wilcox and Anthony Pompliano discuss privacy, freedom, decentralization, the original battle between governments and technologists for encryption, and how the current privacy technology for crypto is likely to evolve moving forward.
84 min
119
Simon Yu, CEO & Co-Founder of Storm: The 3 Year...
Simon Yu and Anthony Pompliano discuss cryptocurrency adoption, incentives, and where crypto is headed over the next few years.
46 min
120
Mike Cagney, Co-Founder & CEO of Figure: The In...
Mike Cagney and Anthony Pompliano discuss how Figure works, why it is growing so quickly, where Blockchain makes sense in the traditional financial system, and why Mike thinks there is such a big opportunity for automation in finance.
28 min
121
Joseph Weinberg, Co-Founder of Shyft Network: T...
Joseph Weinberg and Anthony Pompliano discuss mining Bitcoin in 2010, moving to live with a tribe in the Amazon forest, plant based medicine, and the idea of building an interoperable, permissioned blockchain.
53 min
122
Ted Livingston, CEO of Kik: Defending Crypto
Ted Livingston and Anthony Pompliano discuss discuss building one of the most popular messaging apps in the world, the challenges with creating sustainable business models, and how cryptocurrencies could be a solution.
65 min
123
Yoni Assia, Founder & CEO of eToro: From the Ar...
Yoni Assia and Anthony Pompliano discuss their backgrounds in the military and what they learned from those experiences, how eToro started and why Yoni got them into crypto, DAOs, and the future of eToro's US expansion.
76 min
124
Richard Muirhead, Managing Partner at Fabric Ve...
Richard Muirhead and Anthony Pompliano discuss privacy by design, rational optimism, data sovereignty, the importance of encouraging experimentation, the key components of Web 3.0, and modern monetary theory.
61 min
125
Tom Teman, Co-Founder & CEO of Portis: Fixing C...
Tom Teman and Anthony Pompliano discuss the usability issues in the cryptocurrency industry, how those issues could potentially be fixed, what Portis does, and why it's so essential to gaining user adoption across crypto.
38 min
126
Anatoly Yakovenko, CEO and Co-Founder of Solana...
Anatoly Yakovenko and Anthony Pompliano discuss self-custody of identity, the current use cases for high performing Blockchains, the complexities around sharding, and where we are with staking and validating.
37 min
127
Bitcoin Sign Guy: The Legend of the Sign
Bitcoin Sign Guy and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto anarchy, Bitcoin art, privacy, freedom, rule of law, code as free speech, and Bitcoin's macro trends.
68 min
128
Steve Ehrlich, CEO of Voyager: The Days of Cryp...
Steve Ehrlich and Anthony Pompliano discuss the brokerage business, the wild west of crypto, and Voyager.
44 min
129
Tory Reiss, Co-Founder of TrustToken: Down Mt. ...
Tory Reiss and Anthony Pompliano discuss Mt. Gox, Silk Road, the challenges with tokenizing assets, drug decriminalization, criminal justice reform, financial literacy, and the automation of personal finance.
92 min
130
Santiago Siri, Founder of the Democracy Earth F...
Santiago Siri and Anthony Pompliano discuss democracy, technology, and why he started a political party.
65 min
131
Preston Van Loon, Co-Founder of Prysmatic Labs:...
Preston Van Loon and Anthony Pompliano discuss testing frameworks, working at Google, blcokchain scalability, Ethereum 2.0, sharding, Ethereum Foundation Grants and what Preston and his team are building at Prysmatic Labs.
47 min
132
Ami Ben-David, Managing Partner at SPiCE VC: Wh...
Ami Ben-David and Anthony Pompliano discuss tokenized securities, the role of bankers in the financial system moving forward, how freedom and privacy are related, and where Ami believes the biggest opportunities in digital securities exist today.
58 min
133
Nic Carter, Partner at Castle Island Ventures: ...
Nic Carter and Anthony Pompliano discuss financial service organizations interest in cryptocurrency, the quality of data in crypto, what areas of Bitcoin and crypto Nic is excited about investing in, and then we play a game of FUD dice.
73 min
134
Nevin Freeman, Co-Founder of Reserve: The Store...
Nevin Freeman and Anthony Pompliano discuss stablecoins, the future of crypto currencies, and the current challenges with crypto as a store of value.
58 min
135
George Harrap, Co-Founder & CEO of Bitspark: Th...
George Harrap and Anthony Pompliano discuss money transfer solutions, stablecoins, and how the current money transfer ecosystem has become bloated and slow.
43 min
136
Jai (Danny) An, Co-Founder & CEO of TrustToken:...
Jai (Danny) An and Anthony Pompliano discuss brain implant technology, automation of knowledge and value, how TrustToken built their crypto infrastructure, and the founding story of TrueUSD.
50 min
137
David Wachsman, CEO of Wachsman: Building Your ...
David Wachsman and Anthony Pompliano discuss common marketing mistakes made by young companies, how Wachsman has seen crypto companies evolve over the bull and bear markets, and where the big opportunities in professional services are moving forward.
63 min
138
Patrick O'Kain, Special Agent for the DEA: How ...
Patrick O'Kain and Anthony Pompliano discuss working for the DEA, chasing Mexican drug cartels, how criminals are currently using cryptocurrency, and the future of crypto.
72 min
139
Chris Berry, Co-Founder of The Green Block Grou...
Chris Berry and Anthony Pompliano discuss how technology is viewed in Washington DC, how politicians interact with constituents, what state treasurers do on a daily basis, and the work that Chris and Josh Mandel did at the Ohio State Treasurer's office in building OhioCrypto.com. We discuss how it works, and what was the response from those involved.
43 min
140
William Quigley, CEO of OPSkins & WAX: Crypto a...
William Quigley and Anthony Pompliano discuss monetizing intellectual property and the big opportunities for the intersection of crypto and Digital Skins moving forward.
101 min
141
Jae Kwon, Founder & CEO of Tendermint: Byzantin...
Jae Kwon and Anthony Pompliano discuss consensus algorithms, Game of Stakes, nation-state surveillance, climate change, and liquid-solid states of matter.
64 min
142
Charlie Lee, Founder of Litecoin: Crypto's Deca...
Charlie Lee and Anthony Pompliano discuss the early days of Coinbase, building Litecoin, and crypto's evolution over the last decade.
65 min
143
Ajeet Khurana, CEO of Zebpay: India's Clampdown...
Ajeet Khurana and Anthony Pompliano discuss the lightning network, exchanges, business models, and the current environment for crypto in India.
58 min
144
Philippe Bekhazi, CEO of XBTO Group: The Yellow...
Philippe Bekhazi and Anthony Pompliano discuss how the global financial crisis impacted in crypto, why the interest in crypto is like a wave, and the importance of Tether, stable coins, and derivatives in cryptocurrency.
48 min
145
John McCorvey, CEO of Stonegate Global Financia...
John McCorvey and Anthony Pompliano discuss alternative assets, global asset allocation, cannabis and medical marijuana, Bitcoin and crypto, paying NCAA athletes, and playing for Bobby Bowden.
73 min
146
Jennifer Campbell, Co-Founder of Tagomi: Crypto...
Jennifer Campbell and Anthony Pompliano discuss trade execution in crypto and automation's impact on society.
57 min
147
David Sønstebø, Founder of IOTA: Digitally Nati...
David Sønstebø and Anthony Pompliano discuss machine to machine transactions, automation, and how digitally native assets, accounting, and contracts fit into the future digital world.
46 min
148
David Post, Ph.D. Managing Director, IBM Blockc...
David Post and Anthony Pompliano discuss transaction volumes, smart cities, and how to decentralize a centralized network.
46 min
149
Max Mersch, General Partner at Fabric: Why Nobo...
Max Mersch and Anthony Pompliano discuss surveillance states, Web 3.0, what areas of crypto are over-hyped, and what areas people should be paying more attention to.
51 min
150
Viktor Radchenko, Founder of Trust Wallet: A U...
Viktor Radchenko and Anthony Pompliano discuss how he immigrated to the U.S., why he initially learned to code software, what drove him to focus on the crypto space, why he sold his company to CZ and Binance, and what Viktor thinks is going to happen in the digital wallet ecosystem moving forward.
46 min
151
Juan Hernandez, Founder & CEO of Open Finance N...
Juan Hernandez and Anthony Pompliano discuss the current state of digital securities, the quality of assets being tokenized today, and the challenges facing the industry moving forward.
50 min
152
Adam Draper, Co-Founder of Boost VC: Why Invest...
Adam Draper and Anthony Pompliano discuss Bitcoin, Blockchain, cryptocurrencies, space, aliens, oceans, and why investing in weird things delivers great returns.
99 min
153
Kiana Danial, CEO of Invest Diva: How Sanctions...
Kiana Danial, CEO of Invest Diva, and Anthony Pompliano discuss Iran, the Bitcoin Lightning Torch, writing a book, and sanctions on foreign countries.
36 min
154
Joyce Yang, Founder of Global Coin Research: Ch...
Joyce Yang, Founder of Global Coin Research, and Anthony Pompliano discuss the regulation of crypto in Asia, how China is responding to the interest in Bitcoin, and global cryptocurrency markets.
47 min
155
Jeremy Gardner, Managing Partner at Ausum Ventu...
Jeremy Gardner and Anthony Pompliano discuss Bitcoin college clubs, building the first prediction market and the first STO.
79 min
156
Muneeb Ali, Co-Founder of Blockstack: Publicly ...
Muneeb Ali and Anthony Pompliano discuss Blockstack's regulated token offering under the Reg A+ Exemption.
31 min
157
Mike Belshe, Founder of BitGo: Inside The Colli...
Mike Belshe and Anthony Pompliano discuss working at Netscape, having $25,000,000 of Bitcoin under his couch, building a leading custody provider, and why insurance is so important for this industry.
50 min
158
Bill Ottman, Founder & CEO of Minds: An Entrepr...
Bill Ottman, Founder & CEO of Minds, and Anthony Pompliano discuss free speech, social networks, censorship, crypto as money and an incentive.
85 min
159
Avichal Garg, Managing Partner at Electric Capi...
Avichal Garg and Anthony pompliano discuss the early days of working at Google and Facebook, building a machine learning company, and Avichal's career progression from employee to founder to crypto VC.
77 min
160
Alon Goren, Co-Founder of Crypto Invest Summit:...
Alon Goren, Co-Founder of Crypto Invest Summit, and Anthony Pompliano discuss CIS, how Alon got into Bitcoin and Crypto, and talking with Tim Draper during the early crypto days.
35 min
161
Dan Zuller, Partner at Vision Hill Advisors: Ho...
Dan Zuller, Partner at Vision Hill Advisors, and Anthony Pompliano discuss fund of funds in crypto, investing strategies, due diligence, and what institutions are thinking about their crypto allocations today.
57 min
162
Matthew Roszak, Co-Founder of Bloq: A Leading B...
Matthew Roszak, Co-Founder of Bloq, and Anthony Pompliano discuss the early days of Bitcoin, how crypto has evolved over the last ten years, and why Matthew is building a company now.
62 min
163
John McAfee, Founder of McAfee Associates: Insi...
Anthony Pompliano travels to Exuma, Bahamas to interview John McAfee, Founder of McAfee Associates.
51 min
164
Mike Novogratz, Founder and CEO of Galaxy Digit...
Mike Novogratz, Founder and CEO of Galaxy Digital, and Anthony Pompliano discuss the criminal justice system and bail reform, privacy surveillance, and the future of crypto.
81 min
165
Stuart Popejoy & Will Martino, Co-Founders of K...
Stuart Popejoy & Will Martino, Co-Founders of Kadena, and Anthony Pompliano discuss JPM coin, hybrid public and private blockchains, and why the energy consumption argument is incorrect.
59 min
166
Jonathan Levin, Co-Founder of Chainalysis: Catc...
Jonathan Levin, Co-Founder of Chainalysis, and Anthony Pompliano discuss how to build a startup, Chain Analysis tools, and his work at Chainalysis.
63 min
167
Steven Nerayoff, Chairman of ADAPtive Holdings:...
Steven Nerayoff, Chairman of ADAPtive Holdings, and Anthony Pompliano discuss Ethereum, Casper, and why Steven is so bullish on tokenized securities.
54 min
168
Ryan Taylor, CEO of Dash Group: How To Drive Cr...
Ryan Taylor, CEO of Dash Group, and Anthony Pompliano discuss how to drive adoption of cryptocurrencies, how Venezuelans are using Bitcoin, Ethereum, Dash, and others, and why the user experience is so important in this nascent industry.
71 min
169
John Wu, CEO of Digital Assets at SharesPost: W...
John Wu, CEO of Digital Assets at SharesPost, and Anthony Pompliano discuss security tokens and what John believes are the best assets to tokenize moving forward.
45 min
170
Hany Rashwan, Founder and CEO of Amun: An Egypt...
Hany Rashwan, Founder and CEO of Amun, and Anthony pompliano discuss crypto, finance, digital assets, and what the public markets for crypto look like moving forward.
65 min
171
Peter McCormack, Host of What Bitcoin Did: Mark...
Peter McCormack, host of "What Bitcoin Did," and Anthony Pompliano discuss podcasting, marketing, Twitter, and how to build brands in today's environment.
76 min
172
Ric Burton, Co-Founder of Balance: Crypto on a ...
Ric Burton, Co-Founder of Balance, and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto currencies on a global scale, the Legacy Financial System, and the digital wallet space.
76 min
173
Jeremy Allaire, CEO of Circle: Circle's Place I...
Jeremy Allaire, CEO of Circle, and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto's similarities with the dot-com bubble and why he's so bullish on Tokenized Assets.
89 min
174
Eric Piscini, Deloitte Ex-Head of Blockchain: S...
Eric Piscini, Deloitte Ex-Head of Blockchain, and Anthony Pompliano discuss Enterprise Blockchain and applying the technology to the supply chain.
29 min
175
Ed Moncada, Founder & CEO of Blockfolio: The Fu...
Ed Moncada, Founder & CEO of Blockfolio, and Anthony Pompliano discuss how BlockFolio became one of the top apps in the crypto space and Ed’s views on crypto governance.
61 min
176
Cathie Wood, Founder & CEO of ARK Invest: The I...
Cathie Wood, Founder & CEO of ARK Invest, and Anthony Pompliano discuss innovative tech, building asset management firms, and why Bitcoin should be in every portfolio.
92 min
177
Alex Gladstein, CSO of the Human Rights Foundat...
Alex Gladstein, CSO of the Human Rights Foundation, and Anthony Pompliano discuss Bitcoin, foreign aid, Web 3.0, and the surveillance state.
66 min
178
Nolan Bauerle, Director of Research at CoinDesk...
Nolan Bauerle, Director of Research at CoinDesk, and Anthony Pompliano discuss the global financial crisis and how Ethereum's ERC standards shook the world.
62 min
179
CZ, Founder and CEO of Binance: Binance and the...
CZ, Founder and CEO of Binance, and Anthony Pompliano discuss Binance and crypto regulation.
56 min
180
Robert Habermeier, Co-Founder of Polkadot: Why ...
Robert Habermeier, Co-Founder of Polkadot, and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto scalability, and why early adopters didn't care about the money.
38 min
181
Jesse Lund, Head of Blockchain Solutions at IBM...
Jesse Lund, Head of Blockchain at IBM, and Anthony Pompliano discuss enterprise blockchains and crypto at IBM.
50 min
182
Sam Cassatt, CSO of ConsenSys: The Scalability ...
Sam Cassatt, CSO of ConsenSys, and Anthony Pompliano discuss liquid crypto and the scalability of Etherium.
68 min
183
Talal Tabbaa, Co-Founder of Jibrel Network: How...
Talal Tabbaa, Co-Founder of Jibrel Network, and Anthony Pompliano discuss the Saudi Prince, the regulatory and startup environment in the Middle East, and Tokenized Debt.
64 min
184
Jarrod Dicker, VP Technology at The Washington ...
Jarrod Dicker, former CEO of Po.et, and Anthony Pompliano discuss the media, censorship, and free speech in crypto.
37 min
185
David Bleznak, Founder & CEO of Totle: Simplify...
David Bleznak, Founder & CEO of Totle, and Anthony Pompliano break down decentralized exchanges.
39 min
186
Nikhil Kalghatgi, Founding Partner at CoVenture...
Nikhil Kalghatgi, Founding Partner at CoVenture Crypto, and Anthony Pompliano discuss SoftBank and Moonshot Investing.
62 min
187
Ateet Ahluwalia, Managing Director, Coventure: ...
Ateet Ahluwalkia, Managing Director at Coventure, and Anthony Pompliano discuss Quant Trading and the future of active management.
60 min
188
Eduardo Gómez: An on the Ground Perspective fro...
Eduardo Gómez and Anthony Pompliano discuss political issues and Bitcoin adoption in Venezuela.
47 min
189
Tom Shaughnessy, 51percent Founder: Crypto Rese...
Tom Shaughnessy, 51Percent Founder, and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto research.
47 min
190
Roy Niederhoffer, President of R.G. Niederhoffe...
Roy Neiderhoffer, President of R.G. Niederhoffer Capital, and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto.
46 min
191
Matt Galligan, Interchange CEO: Portfolio Manag...
Matt Galligan, CEO of Interchange, and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto custody, data, and trading.
49 min
192
Sergey Nazarov, CEO of Chainlink: Smart Contrac...
Sergey Nazarov, CEO of Chainlink, and Anthony Pompliano discuss smart contracts.
41 min
193
Halsey Minor, Co-Founder of Salesforce: The Ris...
Halsey Minor, Co-Founder of Salesforce, and Anthony Pompliano discuss distributed computing, cryptocurrencies, and blockchain technology.
80 min
194
Rahul Sood, Founder of Unikrn: E-Sports will be...
Pomp and Rahul Sood, CEO of Unikrn, discuss the future of E-Sports.
53 min
195
Pascal Gauthier, President of Ledger: What is C...
Pascal Gauthier is the President of Ledger, one of the most well known crypto hardware wallets, and the creator of the Ledger Vault for institutions. In this conversation, Gauthier and Anthony Pompliano discuss his past experience building a data...
45 min
196
Ari Paul, CIO of BlockTower: The Current State ...
Ari Paul is the CIO of BlockTower, one of the best known crypto investment firms. In this conversation, Paul and Anthony Pompliano discuss his previous work at a university endowment, what Ari thinks about the current state of crypto, and how he sees...
68 min
197
Howard Lindzon, GP at Social Leverage: The Scie...
Howard Lindzon is one of the best FinTech investors in the world. His portfolio speaks for itself. In this conversation, Lindzon and Anthony Pompliano discuss what Lindzon looks for in great founding teams, and the trends he's excited about moving...
70 min
198
Ali Hamed, founder of CoVenture: A VC's Take on...
Ali Hamed is the founder of CoVenture. In this conversation, Hamed and Anthony Pompliano discuss crypto currency, blockchain, Bitcoin, direct lending, alternative asset management, and why Bitcoin is like Kim Kardashian. ----- BlockFi BlockFi allows...
91 min
199
Josh Stein, Harbor CEO: Tokenizing the World
Josh Stein is the CEO of Harbor. In this conversation, Stein and Anthony Pompliano discuss tokenized securities, the future of finance, and why they both believe every stock, bond, currency, and commodity will be digitized in the future. BlockFi...
60 min
200
Matt Jennings - Kingdom Trust: The Future of Cr...
Matt Jennings is the founder and CEO of Kingdom Trust, the first regulated financial institution to offer custody of digital assets, making them the first qualified custodian in the digital asset industry. BlockFi BlockFi allows you to keep your...
59 min