The Game Changing Attorney Podcast wi...
How can you become a game changer?
Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.
In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.
We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.
What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.
Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level.
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467. The Physiological Science Behind Resilienc...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Andy Galpin to break down what separates truly high performers from everyone else. From toughness and self-talk to sleep, strength training, and resilience, Dr. Galpin explains why better performance starts with fewer distractions and better constraints.
50 min
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466. AMMA — How To Get More Energy as a Busines...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down the difference between discipline and rigidity, burnout and misallocated energy, and rest and weakness. From missed workouts and cheat meals to draining team members and recovery as a competitive advantage, this AMMA is a blunt reminder that high performance is not about being perfect. It is about knowing what costs you energy, what restores it, and what you refuse to tolerate.
29 min
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465. Business Lessons From 20 Years in the Gami...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with David Vonderhaar, studio lead at BulletFarm and former studio design director for the Call of Duty franchise, to unpack what it really takes to innovate in a world obsessed with replication. From navigating harsh feedback from passionate audiences to building a studio from the ground up after two decades inside a billion-dollar franchise, David shares the mindset, courage, and conviction required to do things on your own terms. This is a conversation about originality, resilience, and the cost of choosing the harder path.
44 min
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464. AMMA — Why “Potential” Is The Biggest Trap...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions about one of the hardest tensions in leadership: the gap between what you see in your people and what they actually deliver. They walk through how to handle a high-talent, low-output team member, how to recognize when a long-tenured leader has plateaued, and whether the popular idea of "unlimited potential" actually holds up. Believing in your team is valuable, but does it replace standards and results?
21 min
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463. The Mindsets Needed To Dominate Your Marke...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Sam Pond, founder and managing partner of Pond Lehocky Giordano, to break down what it really takes to build a high-performing law firm without losing what made it great in the first place. From leadership under pressure to culture enforcement, delegation, data, and the real ROI of team retreats, this conversation is a masterclass in scaling without becoming bureaucratic.
50 min
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462. AMMA — The Voices That Actually Matter for...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill call out the pattern behind “staying motivated” while making zero real change, then lay out how to turn insights into traction. From a simple hourly discipline habit to a blunt breakdown of filtering advice and finding the right seat, this episode reinforces a core truth about performance: standards are built through action, not consumption. If you have been collecting frameworks while avoiding implementation, this will reset your focus.
29 min
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461. Mastering Biological Fundamentals for Elit...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Kristen Holmes, Global Head of Human Performance at WHOOP, to talk about what health tracking should actually do for you. They break down how to use wearable data without getting trapped in day-to-day noise, why sleep consistency beats chasing perfect sleep duration, and how recovery drives the capacity you need for clear thinking, stable energy, and better decisions. If you want the upside of high output without the crash that usually follows, this conversation gives you the framework.
66 min
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460. AMMA — Why Your Top Talent is Secretly Qui...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point back to the same problem: what you are not seeing is shaping your outcomes. They talk through why high performers often leave without giving real feedback, how to approach self-awareness without getting lost in endless “work on yourself” loops, and what promotions look like in a results-driven environment.
28 min
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459. Why Structured Systems Will Transform Your...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Craig Ballantyne, widely known for being “the world’s most disciplined man.” He didn’t get there through sheer intensity or some superhuman routine, but instead by turning discipline into a repeatable system. Together, they break down why “discipline” means something different for everyone, why subtracting friction beats adding effort, and how identity and self-talk determine your consistency. This conversation is a practical blueprint for building standards that hold up even when life gets busy.
50 min
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458. AMMA — Finding Your Identity Inside and Ou...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three questions from firm owners who built real success and then realized the business started pulling from their health, marriage, and personal life. Michael Mogill shares how he thinks about separating who you are from what you run, how to stay demanding without becoming unapproachable, and how to stay motivated when the old underdog story stops working.
24 min
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457. The Operational Advantage Your Competitors...
In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kayla Grayson and Michael Beckman of Viles & Beckman, Jami Oliver of Oliver Law Office, Craig Greening of The Greening Law Group, and Stevin Groth of Groth & Associates to explore the real difference between stalling and scaling. Most firms don’t fail because they lack talent; they’re struggling because the business behind the cases cannot keep up. This episode is a look at the discipline, standards, and leadership decisions that make growth possible from firm owners who have been there themselves.
107 min
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456. AMMA — Why It’s Your Fault If Your Team Is...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill respond to three questions that hit a nerve with many firm owners: why problems keep getting escalated late, why team performance can feel inconsistent from week to week, and why meetings sometimes turn into silence instead of collaboration. This conversation is about the leadership signals you may be sending without realizing it, and how small adjustments can change the way your team communicates, performs, and contributes.
23 min
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455. From Addict to UltraRunner: The Ultimate R...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Andy Glaze. Andy is an ultrarunner, firefighter, and author of Smile, or You're Doing It Wrong. He’s built a following by documenting what it really takes to keep moving when your body and brain are begging you to quit. Together, they break down why high performers chase extreme challenges, what ultramarathons reveal about failure and resilience, and how to apply those lessons to leadership, business, and life.
52 min
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454. AMMA — How To Handle People Who Want More ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three money-related questions that even experienced leaders can struggle with. They unpack how to support an employee who is struggling financially without becoming a long-term solution to a personal problem. Michael also shares how to think about investing in your team and operations when your instinct is to stay frugal, plus how to respond when a strong performer keeps pushing for raises.
19 min
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453. Why Precedent is the Enemy of Justice with...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ben Crump, renowned civil rights attorney and founder of Ben Crump Law, to unpack what it really means to pursue equality inside a system shaped by power, precedent, and bias. Ben explains why progress is often incremental, why the biggest injustice is not always what makes the news, and why lawyers have a responsibility to speak truth to power even when it is unpopular. This conversation is a reminder that influence is only valuable when you use it to protect people who do not have any.
33 min
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452. AMMA — The Unexpected Truth About Happines...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three questions that expose tensions most firm owners feel but rarely address head-on. The first reveals how prioritizing happiness over performance can quietly cap your growth, the second explores the guilt that comes when success requires less hustle than you think it should, and the third shows what happens when partnership paralysis becomes more comfortable than forward movement. This conversation unpacks the difference between a strong culture and a stagnant one, why working fewer hours might mean you built something right, and why being right matters far less than being willing to move.
20 min
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451. Growth Secrets From the Best of the Best
In this special mashup episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with the four Firm of the Year winners from the 2025 Game Changers Summit. Laura dePaz Cabrera of dePaz Cabrera Immigration Law, Koro Khamo of Khamo Law, John Richmond of Richmond Vona, and David Meyer of Meyer Wilson Werning each share what it really takes to build a firm that grows without burning you out in the process. From learning to let go of control to betting the farm on the right technology, this episode reveals the mindset shifts and strategic decisions that turned their practices into powerhouses.
100 min
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450. AMMA — When Hiring Smart People Makes You ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point to the same tension: leaders who've scaled past seven figures often struggle to recalibrate the people they listen to, the way they make decisions, and the balance between intuition and expertise. This conversation reveals what happens when your growth outpaces your circle and how to fix it before it stalls your momentum.
21 min
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449. How Hostage Negotiation Can Help You Win M...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Chris Voss, former FBI lead international kidnapping negotiator, CEO of The Black Swan Group, and bestselling author of Never Split the Difference. With decades of high-stakes experience negotiating with criminals, terrorists, and executives alike, Chris challenges what most attorneys think they know about winning and explains why the collaborative negotiator almost always beats the combative one.
53 min
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448. AMMA — Confessions of a CEO: Yes, We Are A...
In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill explore one of the least discussed truths about business growth: the lag between effort and result. From the quiet judgment you'll face for decisions others don't understand, to the compounding power of doing the same boring thing for years, this episode unpacks why most entrepreneurs quit right before the breakthrough. If you're questioning whether what you're doing is actually working, this conversation will reframe how you measure progress.
27 min
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447. The Power of Stories on Life and Business ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kindra Hall, best-selling author, keynote speaker, and expert on strategic storytelling in business. Kindra has spent over a decade teaching leaders how to stop communicating in marketing copy and start connecting through the one thing the human brain is biologically wired to receive: a story. In this conversation, Michael and Kindra unpack why storytelling is the most underused tool in a leader's arsenal, what separates the stories that convert from the ones that fade, and how the narratives we tell ourselves are either fueling or quietly sabotaging our potential.
35 min
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446. AMMA — How to Know If Hard Work Is Worth It
In this AMMA episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill explore one of the least discussed truths about business growth: the lag between effort and result. From the quiet judgment you'll face for decisions others don't understand, to the compounding power of doing the same boring thing for years, this episode unpacks why most entrepreneurs quit right before the breakthrough. If you're questioning whether what you're doing is actually working, this conversation will reframe how you measure progress.
30 min
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445. How to Make Money, Keep Money, and Realize...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Morgan Housel, New York Times bestselling author of The Psychology of Money and partner at the Collaborative Fund. With millions of copies sold and translations in over 50 languages, Morgan has spent his career studying not what the market will do next, but why we make the decisions we make with money. In this conversation, Michael and Morgan explore how personal experience shapes financial behavior, why the wealthiest people are often driven by something other than wealth, and what it actually means to use money as a tool for a better life.
45 min
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444. AMMA — Why "No Problems" is Your Biggest P...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer three listener questions that all point to the same uncomfortable truth: the absence of problems is not a sign that everything is working. It is usually a sign that you have stopped looking. This AMMA covers the metrics that actually matter, the complacency that creeps in when growth feels stable, and the leadership decisions that do not get easier the longer you wait to make them.
22 min
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443. Poker Face: The Framework for Navigating P...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Tiffany Michelle, world-class poker player, ESPN commentator, and one of the most recognizable faces in professional poker, to unpack what the game reveals about decision-making, emotional regulation, and how leaders can compete at the highest level. Tiffany brings the mindset of a champion to a conversation about the hidden cost of letting your emotions drive your strategy at the table and in your firm.
55 min