The Game Changing Attorney Podcast wi...
How can you become a game changer?
Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.
In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.
We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.
What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.
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397. AMMA — Success Debt: The Trap at the Top
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill expose the hidden cost of achievement: success debt. It’s the trap that catches high performers when wins pile up faster than the systems, habits, and discipline needed to sustain them. If you’ve ever felt restless, pressured, or like your own achievements are starting to box you in, this conversation will hit close to home.
22 min
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396. Why High Performers Can’t Afford to Ignore...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Taz Bhatia, a nationally recognized integrative medicine physician, to uncover why ignoring your health is the fastest way to sabotage your success. From cortisol spikes and energy crashes to the hidden costs of “powering through,” Dr. Taz reveals why the most ambitious leaders can’t afford to treat wellness as optional — and what it really takes to build resilience that lasts.
50 min
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395. AMMA — Why Consensus Slows Growth and How ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill unpack the hidden costs of consensus-driven decision-making. From firms with five partners debating every choice to small teams waiting on unanimous buy-in, they reveal why trying to please everyone creates delays, missed opportunities, and stalled growth. If you’ve ever walked out of a meeting wondering why it took two hours to argue over a single decision, this conversation will change how you lead.
27 min
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394. How to Grow Without Losing Culture (Or You...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill sit down with Benson Varghese and Anna Summersett, co-founders of Varghese Summersett, to uncover the story of how they built one of Texas’s fastest-growing firms. From humble beginnings and early challenges to scaling across multiple practice areas and offices, Benson and Anna share how they’ve redefined the client journey, built a culture rooted in growth, and balanced the chaos of entrepreneurship with family life.
46 min
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393. AMMA — Why Simplicity Is a Superpower in L...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer law firm owners’ toughest questions — from why growth efforts aren’t paying off, to why adding more people doesn’t always solve capacity problems, to how firms can avoid drowning in their own processes. Along the way, Michael shares how a new gardening hobby surprisingly mirrors the discipline it takes to build and scale a thriving practice.
24 min
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392. How One Startup Is Rewriting the Rules of ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ray Mieszaniec, Co-Founder and COO of EvenUp, a legal technology company using artificial intelligence to transform how personal injury claims are prepared, resolved, and ultimately valued. From his family’s personal experience with catastrophic injury to building the fastest-growing legal tech startup in history, Ray shares how EvenUp is rewriting the rules of PI law through AI, efficiency, and a relentless drive to level the playing field for plaintiffs.
37 min
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391. AMMA — The $100K Marketing Question Law Fi...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most common (and costly) mistakes law firm owners make: pouring money into marketing before fixing the foundation of their business. A $100,000 ad campaign might sound like the fast track to growth, but if your systems, team, and client experience can’t handle the volume, you’ll end up scaling chaos instead of results.
19 min
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390. Passion, Process, and Pitmaster Wisdom for...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with James Beard Award-winning pitmaster Rodney Scott, a man who went from reluctantly tending the family barbecue pit to building a nationally recognized brand. With decades of lessons forged over open flames, Rodney shares how discipline, resilience, and an obsession with detail built his success. From overcoming doubters to scaling his craft across multiple locations, his journey offers timeless wisdom for any law firm leader serious about turning their passion into a lasting legacy.
42 min
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389. AMMA — Stop Fixing $5 Problems and Start S...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most common growth killers in law firms: spending your most valuable resource, your time, on the least valuable tasks. From fixing printers to negotiating minor contracts, too many leaders are stuck in low-leverage work while the big opportunities for growth go untouched. Michael shares how to calculate the true value of your time, overcome the guilt of outsourcing, and focus on the decisions that actually move the needle for your business and your life.
23 min
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388. From Hooters Hostess to $600M CEO: Leading...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kat Cole, former President of Cinnabon, current CEO of AG1 (formerly Athletic Greens), and living proof that grit, humility, and relentless urgency can change everything. From her start as a teen working to help her family make ends meet to leading a $600M global brand, Kat shares hard-won lessons on leadership, scaling with purpose, and never settling for “good enough.”
59 min
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387. AMMA — Stop Cleaning Up Their Mess: The Se...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most frustrating growth blockers law firm owners face: a team that can’t seem to operate without you. If you’re constantly redoing work, stepping in to fix repeated mistakes, or avoiding hard conversations to keep the peace, this conversation will show you how to shift from micromanaging to building a truly self-sufficient team.
22 min
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386. What Every Firm Needs Before Their Reputat...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with crisis management expert and real-life inspiration for Scandal’s Olivia Pope, Judy Smith. With a career that has taken her from the White House to high-profile crises involving celebrities, CEOs, and global brands, Judy shares how law firm owners can protect their reputation, lead with clarity, and respond strategically when the pressure is on.
39 min
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385. AMMA — The Real Reason You're Stuck at 7 F...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three of the most common (and costly) growth blockers law firm owners face — shiny object syndrome, unproductive comparisons, and the belief that “no one can do it like I can.” If your firm has plateaued, if you’re burning cash on a bloated team, or if you’ve convinced yourself that scaling personal touch is impossible, this conversation will hit home. It’s not about working harder — it’s about thinking smarter.
23 min
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384. Break the Mold: The Blueprint for Radical ...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with performance coach and best-selling author Todd Herman to explore the transformative power of alter egos. Todd unpacks how adopting a secret identity can unlock new levels of confidence, clarity, and leadership — especially when your current mindset is holding you back. Drawing from decades of experience with elite athletes, entrepreneurs, and top performers, he shares actionable strategies for becoming the version of yourself that your goals require.
44 min
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383. AMMA — Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Yo...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle the quiet killer of growth: comfort. As we hit the halfway point of the year, many law firm owners start to coast — but that’s exactly when progress stalls. If your firm feels like it’s plateauing, your goals are slipping, or your team’s feedback just isn’t landing, this conversation will help you reset, refocus, and move forward with intention.
21 min
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382. What It Takes to Build a $100M Legal Business
In this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re re-airing a powerful conversation between Crisp Founder & CEO Michael Mogill and Chris Dreyer of the Personal Injury Mastermind Podcast. Together, they unpack what it truly takes to grow a legal business through chaos, complexity, and scale to reach nine figures. Michael shares the mindset, systems, and personal discipline that allowed him to help over 1,000 law firms grow by $1M each, and now he’s setting his sights on creating a $100B impact across the legal industry.
48 min
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381. AMMA — The Hardest Mindset Shift for Law F...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill explores why the survival mentality that helps firm owners get off the ground often becomes a liability as they grow. From micromanaging teams to avoiding calculated risks, this episode reveals what it really takes to move from operator to strategic leader.
24 min
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380. The Real Reason Clients Choose One Lawyer ...
In this special episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re re-airing a powerful conversation between Crisp Founder & CEO Michael Mogill and the hosts of the LAWsome Podcast. From humble beginnings with just $500 to his name to leading a fast growing legal marketing company, Michael unpacks what it takes to thrive as a law firm owner, especially when the odds are stacked against you. Whether you’re building your brand, navigating fear, or facing down massive competitors, this conversation is packed with honest insights you won’t want to miss.
26 min
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379. AMMA — If You’re Still Chasing Leads, You’...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill explains why firms that focus on visibility without strategy end up attracting the wrong clients. From wasting marketing dollars to obsessing over ROI at the expense of long-term brand equity, this episode unpacks the difference between chasing leads and becoming the obvious choice.
26 min
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378. Your Law Firm's Ads Suck: Here's Why (and ...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with social media advertising powerhouse Billy Gene Shaw to unpack what it really takes to win in a digital-first world. From growing up with nothing to reaching millions daily, Billy shares the mindset, skillset, and speed it takes to stay relevant, dominate attention, and build a brand that can’t be ignored.
48 min
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377. AMMA — Market Chaos: How to Not Just Survi...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill confronts the fear, uncertainty, and opportunity facing firm owners in a rapidly shifting legal landscape. From private equity to AI disruption to non-lawyer ownership, this conversation goes beyond survival mode — and into the mindset, systems, and leadership required to thrive when the rules change.
16 min
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376. Best of AMMA — Brand-Building Secrets Your...
In this special mashup edition of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re diving deep into the most common questions law firm owners ask when it comes to building visibility, authority, and a brand that actually brings in high-value cases. You’ll hear real, unfiltered answers from Michael Mogill as he breaks down what separates the firms that scale from the ones that stay stuck. From establishing a niche to amplifying your impact, this episode is a crash course in how to get known — and stay known.
24 min
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375. AMMA — Stop Being The Bottleneck: Lead You...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill challenge the belief that being essential to your business is a badge of honor. Instead, they reveal why the most effective law firm leaders are the ones who build systems, empower teams, and make themselves operationally unnecessary.
22 min
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374. You're Not Too Late: Joe Fried on Finding ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with nationally renowned trucking attorney Joe Fried, who shares how he transformed tragedy into purpose, built a hyper-specialized practice from scratch, and turned fear into fuel. From walking away from a thriving law practice overnight to redefining how truck accident cases are tried and taught, Joe opens up about what it means to truly bet on yourself — and why success without service is never enough.
44 min
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373. AMMA — Your Firm's Biggest Threat: Too Man...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill shares personal stories and answers listener questions about tough decisions, team feedback, and betting big on your vision. From a solo weekend with his kids to making high-stakes calls at work, Michael pulls back the curtain on how he thinks through pressure, risk, and long-term impact.
24 min