The Game Changing Attorney Podcast wi...
How can you become a game changer?
Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue.
In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer.
We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture.
What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company.
Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level.
For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/
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410. The Firm of the Future Won’t Wait for You ...
As part of the "Road to the Summit", a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12–13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we revisit the Law Firm of the Future panel live from the 2022 Game Changers Summit, where Michael Mogill sits down with Alexander Shunnarah, Anthony Johnson, Bob Tharp, and Eric Chaffin for an unfiltered conversation about the forces reshaping the legal industry and what it takes to lead in the next era.
27 min
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409. AMMA — Why You Feel Empty After Hitting Bi...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill unpack what happens after the win — when the goal you worked years to achieve doesn’t deliver the fulfillment you expected. From the emotional crash that follows major milestones to the deeper search for purpose that defines lasting success, Michael shares a personal perspective on how to realign your ambition with meaning before burnout takes over.
22 min
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408. Why Credibility Is the Ultimate Way to Adv...
As part of the "Road to the Summit", a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12-13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of the Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we revisit the legendary Power Players Panel live from the 2021 Game Changers Summit. Michael Mogill sits down with Alexander Shunnarah, Roopal Luhana, Joe Fried, and Harlan Schillinger, four industry icons who have redefined leadership, innovation, and influence in the legal world. From personal transformation and authenticity to the rise of digital dominance and firm ownership shifts, this discussion uncovers how the best continue to rise while others fall behind.
47 min
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407. AMMA — Why Playing It Safe Is the Most Dan...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill and Jessica Mogill confront the real drivers behind success, risk, and sacrifice. As the 2025 Game Changers Summit approaches, they explore why some firm owners seem lucky while others stay stuck, and what it actually means to bet on yourself when the outcome is uncertain. This episode challenges every assumption about safety, comfort, and what it takes to build something truly exceptional.
20 min
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406. How to Build a Law Firm Culture That Actua...
As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12-13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of the Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we take you back to the 2021 EVOLVE Summit. Jessica Mogill sits down with the Game Changing Culture Panel, featuring Reza Torkzadeh, John Martin, David Craig, and Mark O’Mara. Together, they share how intentional leadership, clear communication, and the use of tools like Kolbe and PRINT® have helped them build strong, high-performing cultures within their firms.
32 min
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405. AMMA — What it Takes to 10x Everything
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down what it really takes to 10X a law firm. From the early days of sheer hustle to the bold bets that build unforgettable brands, this conversation explores the mindset, courage, and leadership shifts required to make the leap from incremental growth to exponential impact.
22 min
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404. The Dangers of Premature Growth with Eric ...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Eric Siu, entrepreneur, investor, and author of Leveling Up. From esports to business, Eric has turned the lessons of gaming into a powerful framework for growth, resilience, and long-term success. Together, they explore how to reframe pain into fuel, why mindset compounds like interest, and what it truly takes to keep leveling up in life and business.
34 min
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403. AMMA — How To Scale Beyond Growth Basics
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle three questions every law firm owner should be asking right now. From staying fresh after 400 podcast episodes to making AI work for your team, and even raising the bar for client experience, this conversation is packed with insights you can apply immediately.
27 min
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402. How to Hack Your Biology for an Unfair Edg...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dave Asprey, widely known as the father of biohacking. From shedding 100 pounds after years of failed diets to reversing early signs of aging, Dave has invested millions into understanding how the human body really works and how to bend those rules in your favor. You will hear how fasting, neuroscience, and high-ROI health practices can help you eliminate brain fog, unlock consistent energy, and give you a competitive edge that others cannot match.
49 min
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401. AMMA — From Girl Dad to CEO: The Michael M...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill shift from strategy to storytelling and get personal. From showing up as mystery readers in their daughter’s classroom to watching KPop Demon Hunters on repeat, Michael shares how fatherhood has shaped his values, his leadership, and the legacy he wants to leave.
28 min
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400. The Most Important Lessons After 400 Episodes
In this milestone episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill reflect on the journey from episode one to today. Over five years, countless guests, and thousands of lessons later, they have distilled the most powerful insights into what truly drives long-term success in business, leadership, and life. This episode puts Crisp clients in the driver’s seat. These aren’t emails or comments. These are on-camera questions asked by real Crisp clients, recorded on-site at Crisp HQ.
39 min
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399. AMMA — Why Sleep and Nutrition Are Secret ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill reveal why law firm owners can’t afford to treat their health as an afterthought. From the science of sleep to the truth about nutrition, they share how optimizing your body is the ultimate unfair advantage for building a thriving practice.
24 min
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398. Why Generosity is the Most Underrated Grow...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Randy Kessler, one of the most recognized family law attorneys in America. With decades of experience, a national reputation, and a client roster that includes athletes, celebrities, and high-profile figures, Randy has built his practice on something most lawyers overlook: generosity. This conversation reveals why giving first is not only the right thing to do but also the most powerful growth strategy in law.
43 min
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397. AMMA — Success Debt: The Trap at the Top
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill expose the hidden cost of achievement: success debt. It’s the trap that catches high performers when wins pile up faster than the systems, habits, and discipline needed to sustain them. If you’ve ever felt restless, pressured, or like your own achievements are starting to box you in, this conversation will hit close to home.
22 min
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396. Why High Performers Can’t Afford to Ignore...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Taz Bhatia, a nationally recognized integrative medicine physician, to uncover why ignoring your health is the fastest way to sabotage your success. From cortisol spikes and energy crashes to the hidden costs of “powering through,” Dr. Taz reveals why the most ambitious leaders can’t afford to treat wellness as optional — and what it really takes to build resilience that lasts.
50 min
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395. AMMA — Why Consensus Slows Growth and How ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill unpack the hidden costs of consensus-driven decision-making. From firms with five partners debating every choice to small teams waiting on unanimous buy-in, they reveal why trying to please everyone creates delays, missed opportunities, and stalled growth. If you’ve ever walked out of a meeting wondering why it took two hours to argue over a single decision, this conversation will change how you lead.
27 min
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394. How to Grow Without Losing Culture (Or You...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill sit down with Benson Varghese and Anna Summersett, co-founders of Varghese Summersett, to uncover the story of how they built one of Texas’s fastest-growing firms. From humble beginnings and early challenges to scaling across multiple practice areas and offices, Benson and Anna share how they’ve redefined the client journey, built a culture rooted in growth, and balanced the chaos of entrepreneurship with family life.
46 min
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393. AMMA — Why Simplicity Is a Superpower in L...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer law firm owners’ toughest questions — from why growth efforts aren’t paying off, to why adding more people doesn’t always solve capacity problems, to how firms can avoid drowning in their own processes. Along the way, Michael shares how a new gardening hobby surprisingly mirrors the discipline it takes to build and scale a thriving practice.
24 min
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392. How One Startup Is Rewriting the Rules of ...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ray Mieszaniec, Co-Founder and COO of EvenUp, a legal technology company using artificial intelligence to transform how personal injury claims are prepared, resolved, and ultimately valued. From his family’s personal experience with catastrophic injury to building the fastest-growing legal tech startup in history, Ray shares how EvenUp is rewriting the rules of PI law through AI, efficiency, and a relentless drive to level the playing field for plaintiffs.
37 min
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391. AMMA — The $100K Marketing Question Law Fi...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most common (and costly) mistakes law firm owners make: pouring money into marketing before fixing the foundation of their business. A $100,000 ad campaign might sound like the fast track to growth, but if your systems, team, and client experience can’t handle the volume, you’ll end up scaling chaos instead of results.
19 min
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390. Passion, Process, and Pitmaster Wisdom for...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with James Beard Award-winning pitmaster Rodney Scott, a man who went from reluctantly tending the family barbecue pit to building a nationally recognized brand. With decades of lessons forged over open flames, Rodney shares how discipline, resilience, and an obsession with detail built his success. From overcoming doubters to scaling his craft across multiple locations, his journey offers timeless wisdom for any law firm leader serious about turning their passion into a lasting legacy.
42 min
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389. AMMA — Stop Fixing $5 Problems and Start S...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most common growth killers in law firms: spending your most valuable resource, your time, on the least valuable tasks. From fixing printers to negotiating minor contracts, too many leaders are stuck in low-leverage work while the big opportunities for growth go untouched. Michael shares how to calculate the true value of your time, overcome the guilt of outsourcing, and focus on the decisions that actually move the needle for your business and your life.
23 min
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388. From Hooters Hostess to $600M CEO: Leading...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kat Cole, former President of Cinnabon, current CEO of AG1 (formerly Athletic Greens), and living proof that grit, humility, and relentless urgency can change everything. From her start as a teen working to help her family make ends meet to leading a $600M global brand, Kat shares hard-won lessons on leadership, scaling with purpose, and never settling for “good enough.”
59 min
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387. AMMA — Stop Cleaning Up Their Mess: The Se...
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill tackle one of the most frustrating growth blockers law firm owners face: a team that can’t seem to operate without you. If you’re constantly redoing work, stepping in to fix repeated mistakes, or avoiding hard conversations to keep the peace, this conversation will show you how to shift from micromanaging to building a truly self-sufficient team.
22 min
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386. What Every Firm Needs Before Their Reputat...
In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with crisis management expert and real-life inspiration for Scandal’s Olivia Pope, Judy Smith. With a career that has taken her from the White House to high-profile crises involving celebrities, CEOs, and global brands, Judy shares how law firm owners can protect their reputation, lead with clarity, and respond strategically when the pressure is on.
39 min