The Chad & Cheese Podcast
Industry veterans Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts, complete with breaking news, brash opinion, and loads of snark. Chad & Cheese discuss a wide variety of topics and current news stories around recruiting, human resources, and employment. Hiring companies, employers, and vendors tune in for insights from practitioners, vendors, startups, and more.
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The Shred: July 5 News — Google
The Chad & Cheese Podcast brings introduces THE SHRED — breaking Recruitment Industry News Topics Google for Jobs rumored to be launching soon in the UK The Arland Group ACQUIRED by Shaker Recruitment Marketing —...
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Down Goes Slack!
Chad’s back! And he’s probably sporting a beret this week as the boys are talkin’ LinkedIn’s foray into the SMB market, on-demand worker platforms boom and Slack going down (ensue internet meltdown). Your ears will thank you. Enjoy, and...
42 min
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Snagajob Rumors
This week, Google keeps googling, Juju (who? who?) pulls the ripcord and rumors are swirling around Snag.co (better known as Snagajob). And the funding keeps flowing. Enjoy and show our sponsors some love: America’s Job Exchange, Sovren and JobAdX.
26 min
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Interview: Anoop Gupta, SeekOut CEO
It’s not everyday you get to talk to someone who was a direct report to Bill Gates, but Chad & Cheese have done it. Meet Anoop Gupta, co-founder and CEO of and Microsoft veteran. This is a exclusive.
32 min
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Microsoft Buys GitHub
With Chad in Europe for the next 3 weeks, Cheese pulls a Lionel Richie and goes solo, talkin’ news and opinion on Microsoft’s acquisition of GitHub. Who are the winner and losers? Additionally, Facebook and LinkedIn are in the news with new tools...
35 min
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Huh? Indeed Buys Resume.com
Indeed keeps building-up that moat against Google, but the latest acquisition of Resume.com has the boys shaking their heads. Plus Dice still has a pulse, Walmart is sending the blue vests to college and ZipRecruiter flexes. Enjoy, and show sponsors...
41 min
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Money, Money, Money … and Millennials
If you thought an upcoming holiday weekend would mean a slow week in the recruiting industry, then you’re gravely mistaken, kiddies. Chad & Cheese bring da noise and da funk on a episode featuring Phenom People, Vervoe, Job.com, Indeed, and...
47 min
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Firing Squad: HireVisor
Startup faces the firing squad. Will their warm-and-fuzzy, sharing-is-caring business model pass the test? Gotta listen to this exclusive if you want to find out.
31 min
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Interview w/ Colin Day, CEO at iCIMS – An Uncom...
, founder, chairman and CEO at popular ATS doesn’t pull any punches. He’s more than happy to give his honest opinion on everything from Indeed’s future to Google’s reign to ‘Freemium’ ATS providers. And Chad and Cheese are more...
43 min
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Uncommon.co Demo
The boys checkout ‘s product demo. And there’s beer too. Enjoy.
41 min
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Indeed Embraces Its Inner Glassdoor
Indeed had its annual event this week. News and opinion from the show highlight this week’s episode. Also, Google for Jobs referral traffic numbers are coming out, .jobs is .gone for Direct Employers Association and Starbucks is a real shit-show,...
45 min
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Firing Squad: Woo.io
Were the boys wooed by ? You’ll have to listen to find out on this exclusive.
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Glassdoor Gets Acquired
What started out as a pretty slow week certainly picked up by Hump Day. Glassdoor was acquired by Indeed’s parent company for $1.2 billion. The boys discuss the who, what and why. Monster has a new CEO and CareerBuilder goes down. Job boards are...
42 min
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Interview with Jobalign's CEO - A Nexxt Exclusive
If you’re hiring hourly workers today, you feel pain. Services like Jobalign are at the forefront of working to solve this problem. Chad and Cheese dive in to find out more. Enjoy this exclusive.
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Monster Goes Geico
On this week’s show, CareerBuilder and Monster have opposing strategies on job search, Monster’s new ads go “all Geico,” Stepstone buys Universum, Facebook is focused on @Work, Russians make an HR robot, brain sensors take over,...
43 min
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Interview: Tony Lee of SHRM – Uncommon.co Exclu...
An exclusive … the boys sit down with industry icon for a walk down Memory Lane, an update on what’s new at SHRM and even talk a little Cheap Trick. If you remember Cheezhead, OCC and when Monster had “The” and...
38 min
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CareerBuilder Says Sell! Sell! Sell!
The mergers and acquisitions market is heating up this week. Names like CareerBuilder, Adecco and PeopleFluent keep things interesting. Plus Google for Jobs gets busy internationally. Enjoy, and visit our sponsors: Sovren, America’s Job Exchange and...
42 min
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Interview with the CEOs of Talroo (Formerly Job...
Live from SHRM Talent in Las Vegas earlier this week, Chad & Cheese sit down with two of the most exciting companies around today, in two of the most talked about technologies. Thad Price, CEO of Talroo, formerly Jobs2Careers, talks rebranding and...
53 min
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Interview: PandoLogic & CandidateID
The boys are still working through hangovers from a week in Ireland, but our pain is your gain. We were able to land a handful of interviews at the Guinness brewery. For this week’s episode, we chat with Terry Baker from PandoLogic and Adam Gordon...
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Indeed Jail
Industry veteran Tim Sackett discusses the trials and tribulations of being sentenced to Indeed “jail.” You’ll laugh. You’ll cry. You’ll long for an alternative to Indeed. Enjoy.
13 min
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CareerBuilder is a Trainwreck
If you only listen to one episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, this one might be it. CareerBuilder is a mess right now, according to our sources. We’re talkin’ execs jumping ship, layoffs, angry sales people and a lot of bitter ‘Builders....
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Firing Squad: RoboRecruiter
There’s a lot of confusion around chatbots in recruiting. Do you need one? Which one? How much? Questions abound on this technology that serves as a buzzword at every conference and practically every blog post online. thinks chatbots are not...
32 min
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Interviews from ERE: VideoMyJob, YouVisit, Seek...
Hey kids, this week Joel was in San Diego at and Chad was in San Francisco at a Biddle Consulting Group Institute Summit – swanky right? Luckily between naps Joel was able to get some quick interviews from: VideoMyJob – Kristen Graham,...
29 min
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Interview: Clinch & Smashly | Nexxt Exclusive
Another exclusive podcast, the boys sit down with two of the hottest TA tech companies in the vendor space: and . Enjoy.
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Hey Indeed, Thanks For Ruining a Perfectly Good...
After a bit of hiatus and a stint at the Guiness Recover Unit at the local hospital, Chad & Cheese are back in the groove, sticking it to everyone who, let’s be honest, deserve it. Here’s a taste: Indeed’s new commercial has us scratching...
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Firing Squad – Uncommon.co
People on aren’t looking for a job and too many candidates on job boards aren’t qualified. Therein lies the heart of start-up and how it hopes to break through the crowded space of recruitment technology. The company says it...
35 min
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Interview: Hire with Google’s Bogomil Balkansky...
A exclusive! One of the biggest treats from our time at TAtech in Ireland this month was the opportunity to see Hire with Google’s , VP Cloud Recruiting Solutions, present. A bigger treat was the opportunity to interview Bogomil at...
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Live in Dublin for TAtech Europe
The boys take their act across the Atlantic for TAtech Europe, conveniently scheduled around St. Patrick’s Day. Sláinte!
30 min
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Glassdoor Raising Prices
Call it the International Women’s Day episode, although it’s mostly about Millennial-bashing. This week: United Airlines does a U-turn on bonus lottery Glassdoor sends out conflicting messages about a price increase Burger King torches...
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Glassdoor’s Rumored IPO
March Madness is podcast madness, apparently. On this week’s episode, the “badasses” are talkin’: Google keeps kickin’ ass and takin’ names in employment tech Bloomberg says Glassdoor is headed toward IPO country Facebook eyes global...
45 min
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Why Would Anyone Launch a Job Board Today? C’Mo...
Money continues to flow into HR tech companies and people are still launching job boards. Yeah, you heard that right. Job boards. C’mon, really? The boys break down all the latest news. WorkHere pivots Find.jobs launches (is it now officially a...
43 min
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Talkin’ ICOs, Blockchain & Crypto w/ Moonlighti...
The Chad and Cheese listeners know that Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning has taken center stage as the bright and shiny objects of the recruitment industry over the last year, but what about the entrance of Blockchain and...
38 min
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Firing Squad – Candidate.ID
Waking the dead in your resume database is all the rage. Companies like Crowded (Firing Squad alumni), Lever and ConveyIQ (formerly Take The Interview) are getting noticed for taking the best strategies in marketing and bringing them to recruitment....
38 min
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ZipRecruiter Takes Aim at a $1 Billion Valuation
Dollar dollar bill ya’ll! Money is flowing into the recruitment tech space like a melting glacier into the Atlantic Ocean. In this week’s episode, ZipRecruiter eyes a new round of funding to the tune of $50 million, valuing the company at $1...
43 min
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Chad & Cheese’s Super Bowl Commercial
We did an ad for this year’s Super Bowl. Monster’s going to love it!
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Top 10 Employment-Related Commercials of All-Ti...
On this week’s show: Amazon is tracking your trips to the shitter Monster gets a bad case of the shrinkage Top 10 industry commercials of all-time A very special ad from Chad & Cheese Super Bowl picks … and much, much more As always, visit...
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Onsite Interview with Text Recruiting Startup C...
A Exclusive in partnership with , the boys are onsite to interview , CEO of , a text messaging recruiting tool. In addition to covering a wide array of topics, including the power of SMS, the benefits or building a deep data...
45 min
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Indeed is Sneaky as Hell & Ripple Hopes to Topp...
This week, Indeed is quietly making some big changes for users, a new report says recruiters don’t give a damn about AI (yet) and there’s another mobile app hoping to take down LinkedIn (good luck with that Sparky). It’s a barrel full of...
40 min
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Firing Squad – HoneIt
, CEO at not only faces the Firing Squad, but the prospect of a real fire during our recording session. Things can get a little hectic when Chad & Cheese take the mic. Will Nick stand in the pocket, take his licks and score a BIG...
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iCIMS Buys a Trojan Horse
On this week’s episode, iCIMS buys a Trojan horse, Walmart adds a little sugar to make the layoff medicine go down and hiQ gets some good news regarding its epic battle with LinkedIn. You don’t want to miss a second, but if you do, we can still be...
44 min
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Tale of Two Strategies: Google’s Inclusion & In...
The holidays are over, and business is business. The boys are back at it this week, pulling no punches … just like you like it. Believe it or not, in addition to talking Google, Indeed and others, Monster (remember them?) get mad airtime. Here’s a...
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2018 Predictions
A Exclusive in partnership with , the boys enlist help from industry expert to come up with predictions for 2018. Featured are Glassdoor, Monster, CareerBuilder, Slack, and much, much more. There’s even a prediction for...
47 min
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Here’s Our Naughty & Nice Lists for 2017
We’ve made a list. We’ve checked it twice. And here’s our list of who’s been naughty and who’s been nice this year. It’s the perfect combination of sweet-and-sour for you to enjoy with a stout eggnog and pudding made of fig. Special...
41 min
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Indeed Comes Clean, ZipRecruiter Is On The Hunt...
Come all ye’ faithful if you seek all the latest news and commentary from the world of recruitment. This week the boys take on Indeed, ZipRecruiter and crappy job descriptions. It’s not personal, it’s just Chad & Cheese, HR’s most...
43 min
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‘Tis the Season: Stockings Full of Coal, Layoff...
The boys are deckin’ the halls and wreckin’ the pod with a slew of industry news. Turns out, the holidays are a great time to pass out pink slips and head to court. Feel the cheer! On this week’s show, Chad & Cheese talk about the following:...
37 min
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Talkin’ hiQ vs. LinkedIn with Mark Weidick, CEO...
It’s a EXCLUSIVE The where we’re diving headlong into the hiQ versus LinkedIn court battle starring and interview with CEO of hiQ Labs, Mark Weidick. It’s also a lactose-free event – Joel Cheesman (Cheese) is out on...
33 min
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Giving Thanks and Roasting the Recruiting Indus...
On this Thanksgiving edition of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, the boys have some mad shoutouts, especially for tweeting fans and feisty Indeed employees. Big fun. Then, like a finely balanced plate of meat and potatoes, the guys go through their Top...
38 min
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FIRING SQUAD: Jeff Dolan, SVP of Growth at Flas...
Jeff Dolan walks in, sits down, and takes his chances by pitching FlashRecruit to The Chad and Cheese Podcast with the possibility of facing disgrace and the Firing Squad.
31 min
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Google Sticks It To Indeed (Again) and Anonymit...
It’s the holiday season, but the recruitment news rages on. The boys cover a variety of topics this week, including: Google for Jobs unveils four new features, and one is particularly brutal for Indeed. Glassdoor goes to court and is ordered to...
50 min
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Talkin’ Vet Recruiting, LinkedIn’s Leapfrogging...
The boys recorded this week’s show on Veteran’s Day in the U.S., so vet recruiting is top-of-mind. Considering Chad is an Army Vet, how could it not? CareerBuilder is partnering with this vet site, and rumors that Monster is making changes to...
38 min
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‘Edu-taining’ Interview with Susan Vitale, CMO ...
In this exclusive, in partnership with , bring industry veteran , CMO at , on to discuss iCIMS’ recent job seeker survey, and any other timely topic they want. Included is a deep dive into employment branding...
38 min
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Can We Just Stop with the ‘Tinder for Jobs’ and...
Halloween’s hangover has the boys ranting about some trends that just won’t die: ‘Tinder for Jobs’ and video resumes. Startups Workey and O’Hire go keep going back to the future and treading where past companies have failed, and it’s got...
27 min
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Firing Squad – Crowded.com
On this Halloween edition of The Chad and Cheese Podcast, Chad and Joel welcome Howie Schwartz, CEO of Crowded to the Firing Squad. Howie believes Crowded Refresh will be a big treat because it can bring old and dead candidates back to life. That’s...
35 min
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Tech Killing Fields – Can Recruiters Survive? |...
Chad enlists Tim Sackett – from The Tim Sackett Project at – to fill in while Joel sits on the beach, sipping margarita’s while wearing a speedo. (Try and get that picture out of your brainpan) Anyways.. In this episode Chad and Tim...
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Job Board Founder Has a Date with Prison | Goog...
Welcome to another episode of The Chad and Cheese Podcast. This week the boys are coming at you on a Sunday morning (more on that in the podcast), which means they still may be a little drunk from Saturday. On this week’s episode, a job board owner...
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The Race for Recruiting Chatbot Glory Heats Up ...
What’s up, party people? On this week’s podcast, the plot between HiQ and LinkedIn thickens, the race to recruiting chatbot glory continues and maybe Microsoft’s ATS sucks more than we thought. “… imagine if a company that you’ve...
48 min
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Drinkin’ the LinkedIn Kool-Aid while Furniture ...
What a week. LinkedIn’s annual event took place in Nashville, Tennessee and it was an opportunity for them to drop a big ol’ poop sandwich in the lunch boxes of job boards and ATSs everywhere. Listen to learn why. And speaking of ATSs, Chad thinks...
38 min
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LinkedIn’s Jeff Weiner Keynoting Talent Connect...
LinkedIn’s CEO from Talent Connect 2017 discussing the state of the company. Raw and unedited.
22 min
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Newspaper Partnerships are Cool Again, Indeed G...
On this week’s edition of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, the boys are getting geared up for their LIVE Podcast in Denver next week at the TATech conference. Speaking of Denver what’s the deal with all of these Cannabis Jobs? Nearly 150,000...
41 min
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Firing Squad: GoodTime.io
Goodtime.io’s CEO, Ahryun Moon stares down the barrel of the Chad and Cheese Firing Squad podcast. Firing Squad is a raw podcast focused on allowing recruitment industry startup companies to strut their technology, products, and solutions or just...
26 min
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Chad Throws Shade at ZipRecruiter, Crowded Brin...
As we hit the midpoint of September, the news stories are flowing fast, so the boys cover a lot of ground this week. First, Chad goes off on ZipRecruiter, Mayweather-style, dissing their loose definition of “integration,” among other things. Women...
48 min
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Interview: Candidate.Guru on Elevated Careers A...
The guys have given eHarmony’s Elevated Careers a hard time from the first podcast. With the belief that candidate matching is more pixie dust and unicorns than real science and a commercially viable product, both Chad and Cheese couldn’t imagine...
25 min
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Google Hire is Killing ATSs, Skype is Killing V...
The first show to follow Labor Day weekend finds the guys especially salty and feisty. They start the show with a rant about Dice that follows up one of their best interviews of the year. Then they bring it down a bit with some news from the pizza...
42 min
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Live from PracticeLink
This week, the boys broadcasted live from Hinton, West Virginia at ‘s annual corporate event. We had a great time and loved visiting West Virginia and soaking up a little southern hospitality. Much love. We covered our recent interview with...
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Interview with Dice’s CEO
The boys were really excited to recently chat with Dice’s CEO, Mike Durney. As listeners will know, DHI, Dice’s parent, has been through an interesting year that saw the company look at strategic options for the business (a fancy way of saying,...
40 min
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Interview – Mark Weidick of hiQ Labs and the Ca...
One of the hottest stories in recruitment right now is the legal battle between hiQ and LinkedIn. If you’re not familiar with the case, : A federal judge issued a huge setback for LinkedIn on Monday, ruling that LinkedIn can’t block...
23 min
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Firing Squad – Vervoe
Startup Vervoe faces the Chad and Cheese Firing Squad. Firing Squad is a podcast which allows a startup company to either showcase their technology, products, and solutions or just fail miserably. It’s a Shark Tank-like podcast with 37 pieces of...
34 min
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eHarmony’s Elevated Careers Finally Finds a Mat...
Lots going on this week. Dog days of summer be damned. EHarmony’s Elevated Careers found a buyer in this company and a little crow has to be eaten. Is it a match made in matching heaven? We’ll see. HiQ gets a ‘W’ against the big, bad LinkedIn,...
39 min
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HR is the New PR | Ladders Gets Its TMZ On | Is...
Another big week. The boys cover a grassroots campaign by HiQ to fight-off LinkedIn. Are you in? Indeed has gone shopping, acquiring Interviewed and taking the company into ATS territory. Can Indeed build a platform to take on Google, LinkedIn and...
42 min
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LinkedIn is Out for Blood, Indeed is Dining Out...
The summer of love rolls on, boys and girls. This week, LinkedIn is out for blood, Dice hits rock bottom and there ain’t no party like a microchipping your employee party. But first, the state of Wisconsin is losing its mind or maybe overindulging...
37 min
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CareerBuilder Gets a Divorce | Employers are Mi...
Giddyup kids! Episode 19 is in the books. Chad and Cheese are hot on Google Hire’s exploding interest and latest product demo. Chad breaks it down like a math problem. CareerBuilder’s 15 year marriage to Gannett ended in divorce this week....
30 min
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Google Hire Officially Launches, Indeed and Lin...
The boys are back after the 4th holiday and Chad trekking to Oregon for college visitations. And it’s a good thing, because the news was hot-and-heavy this week. Google Hire officially launched. Are the guys impressed or not? Indeed and LinkedIn...
40 min
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Talking Millennials, Employment Brand and Emplo...
This week, we deliver an interview with the CEO of Wonderlic, Charlie Wonderlic. Football fans will recognize the Wonderlic name for the assessment tests they provide for the NFL during the combine.
34 min
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Jumping into Indeed’s Walled Garden Against Goo...
Still a little hungover from the 4th of July holiday, the boys dive into Indeed’s walled garden against Google, wonder if old school job board SEO is dead and drop wisdom and perspective following the Jobg8 conference. Put on your big-boy pants and...
35 min
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With special guest Bill Fanning: Are you embrac...
Where’s Cheese? Chad brings recruiting industry veteran and America’s Job Exchange GM Bill Fanning to the mic while Joel takes a much-needed vacation. Chad takes aim at Bill with questions like – What the Hell is going on in this crazy AI/Google...
35 min
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Live from Jobg8 Job Board Summit in New Orleans...
The boys headed down the The Big Easy this week for a live podcast at the Jobg8 Job Board Summit. As usual, they weren’t so “easy” with the commentary on CareerBuilder, who is valued at $500 million, instead of the $1 billion-plus price tag...
28 min
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McDonald’s Goes All-In on Snapchat | Amazon Wan...
What started out as a slow week certainly turned up as time passed. Entelo received $20 million in funding, and the boys discuss what’s really behind all the money flowing into A.I. Can you say “land grab”? Amazon, yes, that Amazon is rumored to...
39 min
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Workey and Clustree Get Paid | TaskRabbit Grows...
It was a busy week. Economic megatrends continue to take hold. There are more job openings than ever before, and that has invigorated the gig economy and put recruiters in a strong sellers market for many positions. TaskRabbit, where anyone who will...
36 min
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Live from TA Tech Summit – All Things Google fo...
The boys were at in Minneapolis June 1, and did a live broadcast on all things Google … we’re talkin’ Google Cloud Jobs API, Google Hire and Google for Jobs. They even discussed ideas for what the future might look like. Special...
28 min
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CareerBuilder Gets a Haircut | Snapchatting Get...
This week, the boys discuss a big discount in the acquisition price tag for CareerBuilder based on a Reuters report. Someone actually got a job opportunity, compliments of Snapchat.
36 min
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Google for Jobs Launches ... What the Hell Does...
May 2017 and Google for Jobs Launches
43 min
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CareerBuilder’s Revenue Drop | Microsoft’s Work...
Happy Mother’s Day Edition! This week, the boys are scared sh!#less at Microsoft’s workplace-of-the-future, Google makes a virtual reality play and disagreement ensues about its relevancy to recruitment, startup Mya’s A.I. recruitment play gets...
37 min
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Google Testing Indeed-Killer, Dice Cuts Off Its...
It was a big week. We finally have visual proof that Google is testing an Indeed-style job search, Ladders looks like it wants to become an online newspaper, Dice is getting rid of these sites, 84 Lumber returns with new recruitment ads (follow-ups to...
39 min
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LinkedIn’s Future | Slack Eavesdropping | Vervo...
This week, the boy wonders discuss LinkedIn’s ongoing ubiquity in news and finally catching up to Facebook and Twitter on this one key offering, eavesdropping on employees and gauging morale via Slack, Hipchat and others, more end of the...
39 min
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DICE | Snapchat’s ‘Snapplications’ | LinkedIn |...
This week, the boys discuss how no one apparently wants to buy DICE and its portfolio of sites and what it could mean for CareerBuilder’s reported sale. Snapchat is in the news again with “Snapplications,” a way McDonald’s is generating...
35 min
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Google Jobs API | Glassdoor Court Case | Beamer...
On Episode 6, the boys bookend the episode with Google, starting a discussion about the Google Jobs API and ending with the news this week that Google Hire is set to turn the ATS market upside down … and maybe the job search market too. Glassdoor...
36 min
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Bloom Automation’s ‘Trimmigrants’ | Indeed | Th...
Chad’s really ticked off in this week’s episode, as you can tell by the “E” rating on this show. In this week’s episode of HR’s most dangerous podcast, the boys cover more automation – this time in the marijuana industry – with...
38 min
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Purple Squirrel | TextRecruit | Facebook | Peri...
This week, HR’s most dangerous podcast takes on a variety of topics, starting with “period leave,” avoiding most of the landmines this topic invites. The boys also cover Purple Squirrel and wether or not charging job seekers can work or not, the...
62 min
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Brilent | Uber | Robots | SourceCon | Iron Fist...
The robots are coming! HR’s most dangerous podcast is back with - a slight line-up change this week - legendary sourcer/recruiter Jim Stroud stepping in for Cheese this week.
35 min
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Elevated Careers by eHarmony | Indeed.com | Sla...
This week, the boys first take a trip down Memory Lane, discussing the history of job matching and how eHarmony can’t even make it work. Can anyone? Indeed.com is still crushing it and their new native mobile app JobSpotting is a worthy topic of...
62 min
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LinkedIn Rant | 84 Lumber | SnapChat IPO | Face...
This week, the boys discuss the problem with LinkedIn’s lazy users, 84 Lumber’s Super Bowl advertising campaign, Snap’s IPO and its potential impact on recruiting, and Facebook job postings. Please remember to visit out sponsors: America’s Job...
54 min
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TRAILER: The Chad and Cheese Podcast
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Introduction
Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman introduce their new podcast.
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