When the Facts Change

Hosted by journalist Bernard Hickey, When the Facts Change is your essential weekly guide to the intersection of economics, business and politics in Aotearoa New Zealand. Presented by The Spinoff together with Kiwibank.


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Behind Porirua’s poverty
Pat Hanley, a long-time advocate for beneficiaries' rights, joins Bernard Hickey to explore the roots, realities, and the urgent need for change in addressing poverty in Porirua.
30 min
27
The cost of prison
University of Auckland professor Tracey McIntosh joins Bernard Hickey for a deep dive into the problems with and possible future of our prisons.
28 min
28
How to give employees what they want, when they...
Steven Zinsli, founder of Extraordinary, joins Bernard Hickey to discuss how fintechs are reshaping employee benefits with new payment card systems, potentially transforming how fringe benefits are delivered beyond traditional cash payments.
35 min
29
An economic spring in our step
Kiwibank chief economist Jarrod Kerr joins Bernard Hickey to how businesses are feeling heading into the Christmas season, and what might upset the metaphorical applecart.
23 min
30
The hidden battery in your home
Electric Kiwi co-founder and CEO Huia Burt sits down with Bernard Hickey to explore how they are helping New Zealanders tackle the cost-of-living crisis, all while reducing our national reliance on non-renewable energy sources.
25 min
31
Is Nicola Willis cutting costs or cutting growth?
Finance minister Nicola Willis joins Bernard Hickey to discuss the government’s plan to cut spending growth in health, transport and housing as part of their effort to 'tighten its belt' and how they plan to reduce the risk of higher debt in the long run.
23 min
32
We’re all getting older and something has got t...
Treasury chief economic adviser Dominick Stephens joins Bernard Hickey to discuss the long-term fiscal issues caused by an ageing population, and what’s at risk if we don’t make policy changes soon.
27 min
33
Gazing into the infrastructure crystal ball
Acting GM of Te Waihanga Peter Nunns joins Bernard Hickey to discuss the murky business of planning infrastructure projects for an uncertain future.
28 min
34
When the interest rates change
Kiwibank chief executive Steve Jurkovich joins Bernard to discuss what’s happening (and likely to happen) with interest rates, his thoughts on the future of Kiwibank and if he considers possible banking plays by likes of Apple and Google to be a legitimate threat.
29 min
35
Navigating our economy forward (by looking in t...
Reserve Bank chief economist Paul Conway talks to Bernard Hickey about the thinking behind the RBNZ’s decision to change course last month.
25 min
36
This is Kiwi: Dane and Stacey on choosing adven...
While you wait for the next episode of When the Facts Change, join Jane Yee as she gets to know popular travel bloggers and digital nomads Dane and Stacey.
45 min
37
An electrifying plan for Aotearoa
Saul Griffith joins Bernard Hickey to advocate for a greener, more affordable energy future for Aotearoa.
22 min
38
This is Kiwi: Jess Hong on chasing dreams as an...
While you wait for the next episode of When the Facts Change, join Jane Yee as she goes behind the public persona of Jess Hong, lead actor in Netflix's sci-fi blockbuster 3 Body Problem.
46 min
39
Building better goal posts for emissions accoun...
Dr Amelia Sharman from the External Report Board joins Bernard Hickey to discuss the XRB’s new standards for emissions accounting.
26 min
40
This is Kiwi: Taylor Roche on turning obstacles...
While you wait for the next episode of When the Facts Change, join Jane Yee as she goes behind the public persona of Taylor Roche, one of New Zealand's biggest TikTok sensations..
47 min
41
The lights have switched off at the Consumer Ad...
Deborah Hart, former chair of the Consumer Advocacy Council, joins Bernard Hickey to discuss the government’s decision to scrap the council, and what’s wrong with New Zealand’s electricity industry.
27 min
42
This is Kiwi: Jess Quinn on normalising differe...
While you wait for the next episode of When the Facts Change, join Jane Yee as she goes behind the public persona of disability advocate Jess Quinn
48 min
43
Finally, the RBNZ cuts the OCR
The Reserve Bank cut the official cash rate this week for the first time since the beginning of Covid. Kiwibank's Jarrod Kerr joins Bernard to explain how the central bank changed its mind when the facts changed, and what it means for mortgage rates and the housing market.
14 min
44
This is Kiwi: Kirsten Dodgen on proving the dou...
While you wait for the next episode of When the Facts Change, join Jane Yee as she goes behind the public persona of global dance sensation Kirsten Dodgen
46 min
45
Why insulation is such a hot topic
NZ Green Building Council CEO Andrew Eagles joins Bernard Hickey to pull back the GIB board and take a look at why people are getting so heated about insulation standards.
27 min
46
This is Kiwi: TJ Perenara on speaking your truth
While you wait for the next episode of When the Facts Change, join Jane Yee as she goes behind the public persona of rugby legend TJ Perenara
49 min
47
How the world ran out of everything
New York Times journalist and author Peter Goodman joins Bernard for a fascinating conversation about supply chains, consumerism and light-up bath toys.
32 min
48
So much wealth... and poverty
Aotearoa has never been wealthier, yet demand for food parcels is skyrocketing and the Government won’t extend help to food banks so they can cope. Bernard talks to Auckland City Missioner Helen Robinson about a surfeit of wealth at a time food banks are being defunded.
32 min
49
We may have slain the inflation dragon
Kiwibank economist Mary Jo Vergara joins Bernard Hickey to address the inflation figures released this week by Stats NZ. Where is annual inflation at now, and where will it end up by the end of the year?
25 min
50
Bill English’s big ideas for Kāinga Ora
Former PM and finance minister Sir Bill English is the intellectual driving force behind the new government’s plans for the country's biggest landlord. He tells Bernard why a full accounting of its running costs may prove to be too rich for the government.
32 min